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New Comanche helicopter axed
Finally the Pentagon is getting the idea - helicopters make good targets and bad weapons.

[link|http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4418922|http://www.reuters.c...s&storyID=4418922]
-drl
New Now they just need to give the A-10 to the army...
New Effin' A bubba - there's a weapon worth the price
-drl
New Give that man a cigar! (and I was Air Force)
New I can see why
[link|http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/comanche.html|Above Top Secret - Comanche]
[link|http://www.pogo.org/p/defense/da-040101-comanche.html|Pogo - Comanche]
The project was to build a stealth helicopter, pretty much a stealth version of the Apache. What they ended up with was a more expensive and less useful vehicle, one that still had numerous problems despite years of work. More over, against the targets the US is fighting now and will be fighting in the near future, the stealth ability is wasted money.

Jay


New Re: I can see why
Most of our weapons programs only seem successful because there is no real opposition. A country that could put up airborne 24/7 radar could pick them out by banging on them from the top, and once found they could be brought down with harsh language.

The entire Pentagon approach to weapons systems is stupid. Over and over again the thing that wins is "good-enough" tech in overwhelming numbers and operated with sharp tactics. I get the feeling that the braintrust in the military saw too many "German secret weapon" movies.

-drl
New Re: I can see why
Over and over again the thing that wins is "good-enough" tech in overwhelming numbers and operated with sharp tactics. I get the feeling that the braintrust in the military saw too many "German secret weapon" movies.

History tends to follow that pattern, yes. The problem for the US during the cold war was that our foes where going to outnumber us by a good margin. The US was never going to be able to build as many tanks or field as many foot soldiers as Russia or China.

And keep in mind that the high tech unit theory has had some successes. Quite a few good fighters, the M1A1, and US submarines are products of the better technology at any cost theory.

The big problem is the inversion of that theory, where hyper expensive projects are pushed becuase they are expensive. Buisness and poltical backers push for projects to channel money where they want it, no matter the actual merits of the project. And the military is slow to cut a project that seemed like a good idea when it was started, even if it has shown no success at all.

Jay
New Yup.. cf "Fulcrum" re Soviet excution of that principle.
New And speaking of projects that should get axed
[link|http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2004/02/23/rtr1272475.html|Forbes]
The U.S. Navy said on Monday it was awarding a $849 million contract to Boeing Co. and the Bell Helicopter unit of Textron Inc. for materials needed to make 11 V-22 tilt-rotor aircraft.

The Navy described the contract as an advanced acquisition contract for long-lead materials needed to make eight Lot 9 MV-22 and three CV-22 low rate initial production versions of the Osprey that can take off and land like a helicopter but also fly like a plane.

The work is expected to be completed in October 2007.

I think the Osprey is still a good idea, but this is a project that should not be going into production yet. They don't have the things working well enough yet, they are unreliable and dangerous.

Jay
New There's nearly a bill pissed away
The Osprey may look good on paper but in practice it's a disaster. The Marines have already given up on it. I have no idea why this stupid project won't just die.

The immense angular momentum in the props means any engine problem no matter how small puts in down. The props have to be perfectly synchronized at all times. If you think an RPG is deadly to a standard copter, imagine a hit on this thing. It's a death trap.

The way to get troops into battle is with large traditional 2-rotor copters with A-10 and Puff support for suppressing fire. So much for complimenting the Pentagon. What, did the Navy get lonely or something?
-drl
     Comanche helicopter axed - (deSitter) - (9)
         Now they just need to give the A-10 to the army... -NT - (inthane-chan) - (2)
             Effin' A bubba - there's a weapon worth the price -NT - (deSitter)
             Give that man a cigar! (and I was Air Force) -NT - (bbronson)
         I can see why - (JayMehaffey) - (3)
             Re: I can see why - (deSitter) - (2)
                 Re: I can see why - (JayMehaffey)
                 Yup.. cf "Fulcrum" re Soviet excution of that principle. -NT - (Ashton)
         And speaking of projects that should get axed - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
             There's nearly a bill pissed away - (deSitter)

They're the very devil to clean out of the radiator.
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