Re: This is telling

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Post #141,645

by deSitter

2/13/04 12:47:16 PM

Re: This is telling

What exactly was leaked and what the hell difference does it make? People have the entire code for UNIX and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference for security. Is this just the usual crowd of idiots crowing, the same ones who buy and install garbageware?

-drl

Post #141,659

by ben_tilly

2/13/04 1:32:23 PM

Ross, you are completely wrong on this

Read [link|http://www.ftp.cl.cam.ac.uk/ftp/users/rja14/toulousebook.pdf|http://www.ftp.cl.ca.../toulousebook.pdf] for an analysis of why open and closed systems are (to first order effect) equivalent when it comes to security. Read it carefully and note that while bugs are found and fixed in similar rates in both, the ease of finding bugs with source available means that the open system winds up being of higher overall quality.

To the extent that Microsoft makes the transition from being closed to open, its overall quality will improve. Unfortunately the transition is accompanied by people finding lots and lots of bugs, many of them readily exploitable.

If Microsoft code was open all along, its new-found openness would be a non-issue. But it isn't, it is crap internally, and the transition could be painful.

Cheers,
Ben

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Sure - (broomberg) - (1) - Feb. 12, 2004, 09:47:10 PM EST

Gawd we're a terminally-silly species.. -NT - (Ashton) - Feb. 13, 2004, 04:51:06 PM EST

Could make for an interesting lawsuit or three... -NT - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 12, 2004, 07:39:40 PM EST

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MS email files. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - Feb. 12, 2004, 05:44:57 PM EST

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XP's guts aren't that different form 2000 in user space - (Arkadiy) - Feb. 13, 2004, 12:25:53 PM EST

Highly dubious - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 13, 2004, 12:30:51 PM EST

Re: This is telling - (deSitter) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2004, 12:47:16 PM EST

Ross, you are completely wrong on this - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 13, 2004, 01:32:23 PM EST

I recall MS had 2million lines of code stolen - (boxley) - Feb. 13, 2004, 12:41:55 PM EST

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