This is telling

Post #141,630 by tuberculosis 2/13/04 12:10:05 PM Reply	This is telling Other implications, according to online security experts, are that attackers may be able to more easily craft vulnerabilities and other attacks against Windows 2000 and Windows NT operating systems. John Watters, CEO and chairman of network security firm iDEFENSE, said as a result of the leak, vulnerabilities will surface at a much faster rate. From [link\|http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3312451\|http://www.internetn...ticle.php/3312451] ---------- Which makes me suspect this is intentional for force some upgrades from some "end of life"'d versions. The tree of research must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of bean counters. -- Alan Kay
Post #141,635 by Arkadiy 2/13/04 12:25:53 PM Reply	XP's guts aren't that different form 2000 in user space If that's the intent, then it's misguided. -- "...and pronounce all four E's in the word 'shit'"
Post #141,638 by ben_tilly 2/13/04 12:30:51 PM Reply	Highly dubious The security holes found will often affect current versions as well. Which just means more (and worse) black eyes. Unless, of course, the internal review caught most of the holes that crackers may find. Which is a possibility so remote that it would take a complete idiot to believe it. I don't think that upper echelons of Microsoft management are that stupid. If they are, then the companies that they beat should hang their heads in shame. Not only did you lose to monopolistic bastards, you lost to incompetent monopolistic bastards. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #141,645 by deSitter 2/13/04 12:47:16 PM Reply	Re: This is telling What exactly was leaked and what the hell difference does it make? People have the entire code for UNIX and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference for security. Is this just the usual crowd of idiots crowing, the same ones who buy and install garbageware? -drl
Post #141,659 by ben_tilly 2/13/04 1:32:23 PM Reply	Ross, you are completely wrong on this Read [link\|http://www.ftp.cl.cam.ac.uk/ftp/users/rja14/toulousebook.pdf\|http://www.ftp.cl.ca.../toulousebook.pdf] for an analysis of why open and closed systems are (to first order effect) equivalent when it comes to security. Read it carefully and note that while bugs are found and fixed in similar rates in both, the ease of finding bugs with source available means that the open system winds up being of higher overall quality. To the extent that Microsoft makes the transition from being closed to open, its overall quality will improve. Unfortunately the transition is accompanied by people finding lots and lots of bugs, many of them readily exploitable. If Microsoft code was open all along, its new-found openness would be a non-issue. But it isn't, it is crap internally, and the transition could be painful. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]

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