Post #138,203
1/27/04 7:57:16 PM
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Blue Linux, by Dvorak
[link|http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1460599,00.asp|http://www.pcmag.com...49,1460599,00.asp]
-drl
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Post #138,276
1/28/04 9:53:55 AM
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Two years?! WTF with two years?!
Stupid, corporophagous[1] DIPSHITS! If they've actually got a "windows killer" in-house and they've decided sit on it for more than two MINUTES they're guilty of gross negligence of their obligation to their shareholders.
[1] A play on [link|http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=coprophagous|this].
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Post #138,281
1/28/04 10:26:24 AM
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You want a desktop OS
or you want a piece of dog turd like Gnome 1.0 ? Your pick.
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Select [link|http://www.glumbert.com/pictures/Default.asp?index=30|here].
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Post #138,286
1/28/04 10:44:36 AM
1/28/04 10:45:38 AM
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This (if correct) is why MS keeps winning
Everyone else (except Microsoft) seems to believe that if you want to take on an established product/company you have to be better than they are before you ship your first product. No, you have to be cheaper than they are. If you are also better, that's fine, but that's not how you break in.
Besides, gnome is well past 1.0, as is KDE. And how long did it take Apple to slap an interface on Darwin? Less than two years, I imagine.
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Edited by drewk
Jan. 28, 2004, 10:45:38 AM EST
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Post #138,283
1/28/04 10:40:20 AM
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A theory
IBM want to have in place clients for Tivoli, MQSeries connectors, AIX integration etc. before going public. Just slapping the brand on will not work. Perhaps also some of our WPS speculation is actually happening.
-drl
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Post #138,292
1/28/04 11:01:35 AM
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Yawn.
I take it we're all eagerly awaiting the newest IBM fiasco?
Given the choice between MSFT and IBM on the desktop, I'll go with MSFT every single time. In 1994 and 1995 I worked for a Fortune 100 company (manufacturing Tier 1 supplier to automotive) and we were evaluating Warp. Then I got a Gold release of Windows 95. None of the 3rd party vendors we depended on - that's NOT ONE - had any plans to support Warp. They all already were working on products for Windows 95 and what was to become NT4.
We had a few fans of Warp in the IT department, but the engineering department was solidly backing MSFT (we were still mostly DOS back then, but did have one OS/2 HMI running [sporadically]. Later, of course, that box was replaced with an NT4 box).
The point is, IBM lost the software wars and for good reason. Why anyone would expect anything from IBM other than disappointment is beyond me.
Insanity is doing the same things over and over again while expecting different results.
I'm sure Blue Linux will have its 0.25% market penetration and its small number of zealots. But if MSFT is ever going to be dethroned as King of the Desktop, don't look to IBM to accomplish it. Been there, tried that, failed miserably.
(Disclaimer: Perhaps my experience with DB2 UDB for Linux (version 8) has intensified the bad taste in my mouth from IBM. The product shipped with the slight bug of not being able to compile stored procedures. That is typical of my experience with anything coming out of a Big Blue box).
bcnu,
Mikem
I don't do third world languages. So no, I don't do Java.
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Post #138,293
1/28/04 11:06:59 AM
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Re: Yawn.
Not this time (hey, what are you trying to do, grab my pessimist's crown?)
Windows is dying because of the worms. I honestly wish someone would release a destructive one, so people can see the risk invovled.
-drl
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Post #138,294
1/28/04 11:11:09 AM
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Dying? Where?
MSFT on the desktop is not dying anywhere in the US. And that's where I live. It might croak, but it isn't going to be on account of anything IBM does I assure you.
bcnu,
Mikem
I don't do third world languages. So no, I don't do Java.
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Post #138,299
1/28/04 11:18:00 AM
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Re: Dying? Where?
It will. The real support for any OS comes from developers. Developing for Windows is just too complicated, too expensive, and too insecure. I really see a change coming.
-drl
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Post #138,301
1/28/04 11:23:26 AM
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Who would buy it?
Not that I don't hate windows. I do - with every fiber of my being.
But here's the truth in the industry. There have been exactly two developers of successful desktop environments. Apple and Microsoft. Sun couldn't build a usable UI to save their life (witness openlook, sun ray, java desktop, cose). IBM has virtually no experience on the desktop either (hard to say if OS/2 counts - are those people around anymore - are they working on this?).
If you want an opensource unix compatible desktop os with decent applications right now, then get thee down to your local Apple store and plunk down the cash for one today.
Or fart around in DIY hell forever. See if I care.
Forgive me if I'm sceptical of IBM *leading* on anything, but they've shown zero vision in end user products since the release of xedit.
Servers? Sure. Desktops? Not even remotely expecting anything useful. These are the idiots who recast their smalltalk as java rather than try to appear to be out of line.
It'll never ship and if it does it'll be warmed over KDE.
"I believe that many of the systems we build today in Java would be better built in Smalltalk and Gemstone."
-- Martin Fowler, JAOO 2003
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Post #138,306
1/28/04 11:33:06 AM
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Re: Who would buy it?
I'm buying a dual G5 or a Powerbook as soon as I'm making cash again. I'm sold, but..
Business needs a cheaper solution that 1) can run office software 2) can reliably host web apps. Linux is Good Enough if the overall system is tightly controlled.
IBM will not "sell it" as such, I think - free DL or circular bandwidth for sale.
-drl
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Post #138,302
1/28/04 11:25:41 AM
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As usual, Dvorak is an idiot
Film at 11.
I mean, he complains about the price of Windows (and rightly so) but still continues using it. He assumes that nobody in the entire world except IBM can create a "real" desktop Linux. (Never mind Xandros, Lindows, Libranet, et al.)[*]
I work in an all MS shop and am happily using Xandros 2.0 Deluxe as my office PC desktop, running IE 6 (for our trouble ticket system) and Examview (the Windows-only test bank software).
What can IBM add to Linux (apart from built-in connectivity to management software like Tivoli, as another poster suggested) that would make their desktop OS ruler of the PC universe?
For crying out loud, why do people still listen to this guy????
Tom Sinclair
The question seldom addressed is *where* Medusa had snakes. Underarm hair
is an even more embarassing problem when it keeps biting the top of the
deodorant bottle.
-- (Terry Pratchett, Soul Music)
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