According to leading American Muslim, the Jews did it

Post #13,735 by boxley 10/17/01 9:55:00 AM Reply	According to leading American Muslim, the Jews did it The Jews planned and executed the Sept 11th attacks. [link\|http://www.WorldNetDaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24956\|fsckers] thanx, bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #13,737 by SpiceWare 10/17/01 10:22:14 AM Reply	interesting theory However, I don't buy that the [link\|http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/27/inv.suspects/index.html\|suspects] would have killed themselves to aid the Jews. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #13,740 by dmarker2 10/17/01 10:46:43 AM Reply	Re: This guy's logic is so warped it is laughable ... He is mostly spouting impressions - 'ipso facto' as the basis for his logic. I like the bit about "Jews control decision making at all the airports" - what wonderful insight he has !!! - I think I'd rather believe the US admin that they have sufficient evidence to link OBL, El Qaeda & the attacks. Cheers Doug Marker
Post #13,880 by tablizer 10/17/01 9:49:44 PM Reply	I thot they have not found the black boxes yet except for the one the didn't reach it's target, and it reportedly had a bunch of yelling and scuffling IIRC. As far as sneaking into the USA, our borders have more holes than swiss cheese. The CIA cannot follow, record, and track every conversation of every zealot in other countries, where they probably recieved their training and orders. What CIA agent wants to drink the water and have diarriah all the time? Can't blame diarriah on the jews, can ya? Some of these antisematics assign superman powers to jews in order to fit their conspiracy theories. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #13,747 by Steven A S 10/17/01 11:25:36 AM Reply	Not an American Muslim leader, just a Muslim leader who was in America. Pretty much as the terrorists were. He even required a translator! Seems to me he was planted here just to sow the seeds of doubt. I just don't see how he actually expects us to swallow that load of garbage. "Second, the black boxes were found to contain no information; you cannot erase the information from these boxes if you do not plan it ahead of time on the plane." I don't remember hearing any information on what they gained from the black boxes. How is it he knew they contained no information? Why can't Americans talk about these suspicions? Gamei'a explains: "When I asked them whether they had the courage to talk about it openly, they said, 'We can't.' I asked why, and they said, 'You know very well that the Zionists control everything and that they also control political decision-making, the big media organizations and the financial and economic institutions. Anyone daring to say a word is considered an anti-Semite.'" Interesting, I don't know of ANYBODY that would say that. In fact I believe that most of our leadership is Christian, not Jewish. I guess it's good for a laugh at least. If he was gonna lie, he needed to develop a more acceptable lie. All the best lies contain about 90% truth, his: less than 5%. ~~~)-Steven----
Post #13,772 by boxley 10/17/01 1:02:54 PM Reply	Head mucky muck of NYC Mosque an American outfit tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #13,788 by Steven A S 10/17/01 2:02:04 PM Reply	But how did he get the position? <conspiracy> I believe he was planted ahead of time just to sow discord at the proper time. Probably there for several years to build the trust of people in the Mosque, so that when he dropped his bomb it had the greatest impact. </conspiracy> ~~~)-Steven----
Post #13,761 by tuberculosis 10/17/01 12:40:13 PM 8/21/07 6:16:10 AM Reply	Better view from Islam [link\|http://www.ijtihad.org/memo.htm\|This guy] is a little more realistic and believable. We need more Muslim leaders to speak up and take back their religion. Both here and over there on their radio/tv. If it were a radical christian group, you can bet that Billy Graham, the Pope, and other respected leaders would be all over the airwaves distancing christianity from the wack jobs killing innocents in Jesus's name. The headcases are saying the Islamic equivalent of "Kill a sinner for Jesus". Why don't their leaders step up?
Post #13,765 by addison 10/17/01 12:51:19 PM Reply	Very good letter. Thanks for the link. That's incredibly good. Addison
Post #13,771 by Steve Lowe 10/17/01 1:01:57 PM Reply	Yes, quite good. Lots of stuff to remember, but I like this quote the best: Today the century old Islamic revival is in jeopardy because we have allowed insanity to prevail over our better judgment. ----- Steve
Post #13,784 by marlowe 10/17/01 1:51:37 PM Reply	Unless, of course.... imagine a scenario where the KKK has acheived such massive popularity that all other alleged forms of Christianity are marginalized or extinct. I suspect that something like this has happened to Islam, and that it happened early on. The trouble with these mad mullahs isn't that they want to turn the clock back. It's that they don't want to turn it back far enough. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
Post #13,835 by CRConrad 10/17/01 5:33:42 PM Reply	No no, that's way wrong. Bogey: imagine a scenario where the KKK has acheived such massive popularity that all other alleged forms of Christianity are marginalized or extinct. "Imagine"?!? So you mean this hasn't happened already...? (Sorry; bad joke, I guess.) I suspect that something like this has happened to Islam, and that it happened early on. No no; from all I've read about it, it seems it truly was a tolerant and open-minded culture, once. In the days of the Caliphate of Cordoba, of Saladin, and of Harun al-Rashid's (of "1,001 Nights" fame; probably a few predecessors / successors of his, too) Caliphate in Baghdad. Basically, from the ninth to the fourteenth-fifteenth century. Perhaps even longer; lots of Europeans served, apparently not too uncomfortably, under Moslems not only in the early, but almost until the last, days of the Ottoman Empire. The trouble with these mad mullahs isn't that they want to turn the clock back. It's that they don't want to turn it back far enough. No, it's that they want to turn it back. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #13,897 by brettj 10/17/01 11:26:17 PM Reply	Thanks for the link. Although this letter seems to have an American bias it still has a point to make. Revenge is never-ending. Compassion can and will facilitate a solution to the "revenge paradigm". (that is, for those that believe in compassion)
Post #13,905 by deSitter 10/18/01 1:00:35 AM Reply	Hey Try This For Sanity [link\|http://www.jvim.com/\|http://www.jvim.com/] All religious people are dangerously insane at base.
Post #13,836 by Ashton 10/17/01 5:36:53 PM Reply	Notice the similarity in 'deductive reasoning' to - 1) Any utterance whatsoever from M$ (and acolytes all over) - whether a sales pitch mentioning the 'vulnerability' of other OSs or - a presentation before a court about, "why we did __ this particular thing". 2) An ad suggesting why you might want your doctor to prescribe this New drug for [this New disease of the species, never before encountered]. Symptoms of this New disease: I don't want to buy anything, just now. Thankyouverymuch. (Or another one: fear of being secretly criticized at parties. Yes, I SAW that one.) Why is it found effective. Here. ? 3) The portrayal of the members of one political party by members of another with very-similar actual 'aims' (as: Comsymps or Patriots.. depending) - ever wide of any substantive issue as actually needs facing: 98.3% of the time? 4) Most of what substitutes for 'argument' on most any topic, so often right out of MPython - across all media (98.26% approx.)? So why are these patently false semantic tricks so obvious in the screed above? Yet rarely even noticed when applied in the daily noise around us - or if noticed: accepted quiescently and at high volume (?) Just curious why This screed appears so 'different' as to evoke discussion of its utterly stark inanity. Ashton
Post #13,869 by gtall 10/17/01 8:38:41 PM Reply	Re: Notice the similarity in 'deductive reasoning' to - Ashton, I think the answer to your question is that the logic of all the arguments is sound, but the argument itself appears unsound because the premises are very open to being...false. So take yer favorite Ballmer argument for why it is important for the future of the U.S. economy that M$ preserve their monopoly. His argument is (usually...at least to smurfs from Business Schools) logical, but it doesn't start from true premises. Now if the true premises were, M$ is the worst example of business excrement that has ever sucked a camel's behind. we'd surmise his argument was...well...Micro$peak. But he doesn't do this, he starts from "M$ owns your private parts." The conclusion is, do what we say. Yer basic Smurf thinks, damn, that's a true premise, I better not disturb the private parts I've given M$ for safekeeping. A disgusting example of Smurfdom, eh? So when the Islamo-Fanaticist premises his argument by "Since Jews control...whatever it is we know they control", it appear stupid and non-logical. But the center of the argument can (sans any new "facts") be logical. An alternate example is the Fundementalist argument that starts from, "Can we at least agree the World had a beginning?" Uh...okay. "And that God has spoken through the prophets (or is it profits)?" Uh...well...I'm a Christian...so yeah, I'll agree with that. "And that the Biblical prophets were divinely inspired?" Umm...well, it's hard to be a prophet if not divinely inspired. "But they have written that 'God created the world in yadda, yadda, yadda'". Hmmm...so, your religious beliefs have now be hijacked into something which violates a good deal of modern science. The correct response should have been, "Who the hell are you to interpret God's message to the what might have been what the prophets have written, and you cannot even be sure they wrote it?" Premise wrong, learn science, stop putting your words in God's mouth...presuming you know which God you are putting your words into...and She might get damn pissed if you keep it up. Gerard Allwein
Post #13,878 by Ashton 10/17/01 9:47:41 PM Reply	Heh.. knew there was something about that important sign, Guard on Premises at All Times I see my massive error: I took 'guard' for a noun - and it was always meant to be a verb !!! Damn! Thanks for straightening out 1123 stored engrams; I now have to rethink entire previous inhabitance of this loony bin, all intertwined in recursive time-shared threads .. it is much worse than (even) I thought :[ :-\ufffd Ashton oh what a tangled web we weave when first we take a verb for a noun (and an Authorized MAN life for actual life?) PS: this public service announcement for all teachers of logic to distracted, attention-span challenged mouth breathers - is hereby \ufffd GPL for emergency usage: It is best stapled to the offending forehead after a first offense of, audiatur et altera pars, or any second offense of, argumentum ad populum. We are working up a list of suitable punishments for the other atrocities but it is generally agreed that, a quick death.. is too weak a punishment for intentional destruction of a word such as, innovation. We will be accepting applications from volunteer assassin squads; those willing to offer their ineffectual, depreciated, noise-besotted consumer lives next: to eliminate major murderers of Language. No programming skills required. Deprogramming skills helpful. Equal Opportunity employer. Fundamentalist groups: apply at 3AM at the back door labelled, Euthanasia Laboratory Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle..

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