Hey, Dan Reck!

Here's the deal (and another open invitation to join us; watching Mike misconfigure his email server is becoming something of a soap opera that you shouldn't really miss):

Jabber server: iwethey.org

When you configure your client to join a group chat (a "conference", in Jabber terminology) you need to enter "conference.iwethey.org" as the conference server, "ziwt" as the room, and anything you like as your name (doesn't have to be the same as your Jabber login).

A point to note is that Jabber lets you log in to the same server multiple times; the mechanism for doing this is by specifying a different "presence" for each login; for example, "Home" and "Work".

Jabber client recommendations include [link|http://exodus.jabberstudio.org/|Exodus] for Windows, [link|http://gabber.sourceforge.net/|Gabber] (check out [link|http://gabber.jabberstudio.org/|Gabber2], coming to OS X too!) or [link|http://gaim.sourceforge.net/|GAIM] for Linux, and [link|http://www.jabber.org/user/clientlist.php?Platform=Mac|Psi] for OS X.

C'mon and join in! Laugh, as Greg accidentally deletes the wrong LVM volume! Thrill, as you realize that CRC is really just a big softy! Be amazed, as Scott listens to tunes you've never heard of! Wonder, as I continue my adventures in configuring Exim! It's a non-stop rollercoaster ride of excitement!

At least not until I get signed on, and that's the point that's failing.

Exodus | Sign On/Off<enter>

Gives Profile dialog. Choose Default Profile (which is actially the only selection)...Hit OK

"Trying to Connect" (spinney globe).......Disconnected...Reconnect in n seconds (value tends to change from try to try)
Rinse.
Repeat.

(At some point, Exodus stops repeating the futile exercise.)

OK, so I'm on the other end of a proxy. There is a CGI script that configures the proxy for both Insecure Exposer and Mozilla (and, miraculously,the same script works on both browsers!) In the Proxy tab, I have a Type: box with the cryptic choices: None, Version 4, Version 4a, Version 5 and HTTP. Doesn't look like there's a place for my cgi script anywhere...

So how would chatzilla work here...?

Post #134,675 by pwhysall 1/10/04 2:38:24 AM Reply	Hey, Dan Reck! Got your message, but was out and about. Buzz us again, and join the conference: Server is "conference.iwethey.org" Room is "ziwt" See ya there! Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #134,983 by danreck 1/12/04 11:11:47 AM Reply	Re: Hey, Dan Reck! Okay. I'm going to stay chatty from about 9:00 to 5:30 P.M. EST. I need to find someone more savy with IRC to set up the preferences you sent me for your server. I'm using iChat on Panther... Dan Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #135,010 by pwhysall 1/12/04 12:36:45 PM 1/12/04 12:39:09 PM Reply	Bah! My instructions suck! Here's the deal (and another open invitation to join us; watching Mike misconfigure his email server is becoming something of a soap opera that you shouldn't really miss): Jabber server: iwethey.org When you configure your client to join a group chat (a "conference", in Jabber terminology) you need to enter "conference.iwethey.org" as the conference server, "ziwt" as the room, and anything you like as your name (doesn't have to be the same as your Jabber login). A point to note is that Jabber lets you log in to the same server multiple times; the mechanism for doing this is by specifying a different "presence" for each login; for example, "Home" and "Work". Jabber client recommendations include [link\|http://exodus.jabberstudio.org/\|Exodus] for Windows, [link\|http://gabber.sourceforge.net/\|Gabber] (check out [link\|http://gabber.jabberstudio.org/\|Gabber2], coming to OS X too!) or [link\|http://gaim.sourceforge.net/\|GAIM] for Linux, and [link\|http://www.jabber.org/user/clientlist.php?Platform=Mac\|Psi] for OS X. C'mon and join in! Laugh, as Greg accidentally deletes the wrong LVM volume! Thrill, as you realize that CRC is really just a big softy! Be amazed, as Scott listens to tunes you've never heard of! Wonder, as I continue my adventures in configuring Exim! It's a non-stop rollercoaster ride of excitement! Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog] Edited by pwhysall Jan. 12, 2004, 12:39:09 PM EST Expand All History
Post #135,011 by drewk 1/12/04 12:43:50 PM Reply	Boggle! As drook drops in for 15 minutes to bitch about the sorry mess of viral puss he's agreed to disinfect! === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #135,014 by pwhysall 1/12/04 12:47:27 PM Reply	...and then idles for 18 hours. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #135,015 by drewk 1/12/04 12:48:49 PM Reply	I === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #135,016 by drewk 1/12/04 12:49:03 PM Reply	AM === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #135,017 by drewk 1/12/04 12:49:15 PM Reply	NOT === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #135,018 by drewk 1/12/04 12:49:27 PM Reply	IDLING!!! === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #135,345 by folkert 1/13/04 10:16:39 AM Reply	Sur'nuff... you are posting here! -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey*
Post #135,116 by jb4 1/12/04 5:49:22 PM 1/12/04 6:08:14 PM Reply	Thanx! That should answer [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=135112\|this post] nicely (although I see that imric already did...) But...downloading and installing Exodus fails if you try to install the SSL libraries (in W2K, anyway) Now...Exodus installed...w/o ssl, w/o any plug-ins (as they do not want to load, either). Connections fail. Here is what my profile is set up as: Username: jb4 Server: iwethey.org Resource: Work Password: ****** Save Password <checked> Sorry Peter, but there doesn't seem to be a place to specify conference.iwethey.org or ziwt. Any hints? jb4 shrub\ufffdbish** (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT Edited by jb4 Jan. 12, 2004, 05:53:31 PM EST Edited by jb4 Jan. 12, 2004, 06:08:14 PM EST Expand All History
Post #135,122 by pwhysall 1/12/04 6:13:13 PM Reply	Re: Thanx! Exodus -> Join a Chat Room Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #135,123 by pwhysall 1/12/04 6:14:39 PM Reply	BTW I haven't seen your user get created. Try again; if you still can't work it out, ping me on AIM: "The Cargo Cult" or MSN: peter_whysall@msn.com Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #135,125 by jb4 1/12/04 6:28:35 PM Reply	"Join a Chat Room" not an option! At least not until I get signed on, and that's the point that's failing. Exodus \| Sign On/Off<enter> Gives Profile dialog. Choose Default Profile (which is actially the only selection)...Hit OK "Trying to Connect" (spinney globe).......Disconnected...Reconnect in n seconds (value tends to change from try to try) Rinse. Repeat. (At some point, Exodus stops repeating the futile exercise.) OK, so I'm on the other end of a proxy. There is a CGI script that configures the proxy for both Insecure Exposer and Mozilla (and, miraculously,the same script works on both browsers!) In the Proxy tab, I have a Type: box with the cryptic choices: None, Version 4, Version 4a, Version 5 and HTTP. Doesn't look like there's a place for my cgi script anywhere... So how would chatzilla work here...? jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #135,126 by pwhysall 1/12/04 6:32:15 PM 1/12/04 6:33:27 PM Reply	Ah, it's prolly the proxy If you can't get through on port (mumble, think it's 5222), you're prolly screwed. Can you do, in a command window, "telnet iwethey.org 5222", press a bunch of keys and hit ENTER, and get "<stream:error>Invalid XML</stream:error>" in return? Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog] Edited by pwhysall Jan. 12, 2004, 06:33:27 PM EST Expand All History
Post #135,133 by jb4 1/12/04 6:49:15 PM Reply	From the C:> prompt... Enter "telnet iwethey.org 5222" Get back Connecting To iwethey.org...<pregnant pause>Could not open a connection to host on port 5222 : Connect failed Try on Moz: "[link\|telnet://iwethey.org:5222\|telnet://iwethey.org:5222]" Opens Hyperterm(!)...<pregnant pause again>get message box: Unable to connect to iwethey.org on port 5222....OK (of COURSE it's not OK, but Micros~1 doesn't give you a "Not Fucking OK" button!) Will try at home on my dial-up connection... In the meantime...would/does chatzilla work? jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #135,134 by pwhysall 1/12/04 6:58:10 PM Reply	Chatzilla can't help, sorry. It's an IRC client, not a Jabber client. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #134,996 by danreck 1/12/04 11:39:50 AM Reply	I'm not having much luck... I have a few IRC'ers who told me that I needed X-Chat for IRC... I installed it and I keep getting connection refused messages... I checked my firewall, etc. Do you have to create an account for me? I have been trying to enter with the name danreck... Dan Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #134,998 by bepatient 1/12/04 11:41:02 AM Reply	s'not IRC. Tis jabber. Find ye a jabber client. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #135,000 by danreck 1/12/04 11:59:08 AM Reply	Thanks... Googling sourceforge for jabber clients OS X Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #135,005 by bepatient 1/12/04 12:18:12 PM Reply	Heres one [link\|http://psi.affinix.com/\|http://psi.affinix.com/] If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #135,020 by Steve Lowe 1/12/04 12:54:00 PM Reply	Seconded. I use psi on winders from work, and stuck with it. I've tried all the other free ones that I could find. It runs on Linux (with Qt), Winders, and OS X. ----- Steve
Post #135,022 by deSitter 1/12/04 12:55:17 PM Reply	Linux version? -drl
Post #135,024 by pwhysall 1/12/04 12:56:20 PM Reply	apt-get install psi Whether you're on SuSE or Debian or Fedora or Mandrake or Red Hat :-) [link\|http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/\|http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/] Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #135,029 by deSitter 1/12/04 1:07:40 PM Reply	When I get broadband It's not practical with dialup. I snagged the sourceball. -drl
Post #135,073 by tuberculosis 1/12/04 3:14:53 PM Reply	That's a pretty good one "I believe that many of the systems we build today in Java would be better built in Smalltalk and Gemstone." -- Martin Fowler, JAOO 2003
Post #135,090 by danreck 1/12/04 4:35:52 PM Reply	Follow up... I'm in. Not much problem with psi. Excellent app. I'll chat with those who are so inclined there. Just a few thoughts, Danno

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