Re: The poltical side is also similar

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Post #132,820 by deSitter 12/30/03 3:06:46 PM Reply	Re: The poltical side is also similar Now that the Jews have a definite political structure, I suppose we can expect a similar schism to appear in that religion. For all I know it's already happened. -drl
Post #132,862 by Arkadiy 12/30/03 5:50:31 PM Reply	Jews went thorough this long ago This is not the first time that Jews had a definite political structure :) I am not quite sure what battles happened back then, but the end result was: all truth is in Torah, but Torah cannot be properly interpreted without a huge oral tradition coming from Moses via Aaron, his sons and discipples and so on. So it seems that Jews managed to sintethize Protestantism and Catolicism. -- "It\ufffds possible to build a reasonably prosperous society that invests in its people, doesn\ufffdt invade its neighbors, opposes Israel and stands up to America. (Just look at France.)" -- James Lileks
Post #132,873 by JayMehaffey 12/30/03 6:35:06 PM Reply	Probably happened multiple times Major splits in the Jewish religion have happened many times, but often the only reference we have is the Torah itself and it is by no means an unbiased source. Nor does it tend to record anything but the religous aspects of the disputes, even though many of them obviously had geographic, poltical or other significant aspects. Evidence suggests that the Christian religion itself was split off because of such a dispute. The movement that spawned the Christian religion became a major movement in Isreal because the population was angry with the way the leaders and high priests where selling out to the Romans. Once again this was a religious / poltical dispute where a significant portion of the population turned away from the previously accepted central authority. Jay

Need a clarification on the point of Catholic doctrine - (Arkadiy) - (28) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:26:51 PM EST

Or, as the ancient Egyptians sang to Pharaoh . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 30, 2003, 01:47:30 PM EST

Not as I recall - (hnick) - Dec. 30, 2003, 01:55:34 PM EST

More proper term: "Vicar of Christ" - (ChrisR) - (22) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:08:00 PM EST

Right, have heard same from C friends - (deSitter) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:12:31 PM EST

Must be an eduction failure - (Arkadiy) - (20) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:29:33 PM EST

Re: Must be an eduction failure - (deSitter) - (3) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:45:05 PM EST

Eucharist.. - (ChrisR) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:52:58 PM EST

The pope does not seem to me to be inevitable - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 30, 2003, 06:26:47 PM EST

Re: The pope does not seem to me to be inevitable - (danreck) - Jan. 5, 2004, 04:46:50 PM EST

That's a universal religious problem - (ChrisR) - (6) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:48:17 PM EST

Re: That's a universal religious problem - (deSitter) - (1) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:52:08 PM EST

Yes and no - (ChrisR) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:57:15 PM EST

The poltical side is also similar - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Dec. 30, 2003, 03:02:51 PM EST

Re: The poltical side is also similar - (deSitter) - (2) - Dec. 30, 2003, 03:06:46 PM EST

Jews went thorough this long ago - (Arkadiy) - Dec. 30, 2003, 05:50:31 PM EST

Probably happened multiple times - (JayMehaffey) - Dec. 30, 2003, 06:35:06 PM EST

Well he could have taken other courses of action - (orion) - (8) - Dec. 30, 2003, 03:20:30 PM EST

Stay out of it, OK? (new thread) - (deSitter) - Dec. 30, 2003, 03:22:08 PM EST

You don't become atheist for "benefits" - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Dec. 30, 2003, 06:33:23 PM EST

While I respect your beliefs - (orion) - (5) - Dec. 30, 2003, 07:55:25 PM EST

Then don't accept them - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 30, 2003, 09:01:08 PM EST

Something interesting for you... - (danreck) - (3) - Jan. 6, 2004, 12:03:53 PM EST

There is a reason that I do not call myself an agnostic - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Jan. 6, 2004, 02:12:44 PM EST

Thanks for the clarification - (danreck) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2004, 04:28:08 PM EST

What a Horrifying thought! - (Ashton) - Jan. 7, 2004, 05:22:07 AM EST

Only when speaking ex cathedra - (Silverlock) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:15:03 PM EST

Ob. Sentient LRPD. - (Silverlock) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:16:23 PM EST

Turn to the bible - (orion) - Dec. 30, 2003, 03:34:31 PM EST

Wow. The score is tied. It's so exhilarating.
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