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by JayMehaffey
12/30/03 3:02:51 PM
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New The poltical side is also similar
In both cases the split occured in part because the existing centralized religion became excessivly corrupt. This sparked a backlash movement that had to find authority and place faith in something other then the central church.

The Islamic side was never as centralized as the Christian side, but they let themselves become a tool of the corrupt and unpopular government of the era. Of course, the Catholic church was a major government in and of itself, with a list of problems that would take a book to list.

Jay
Post #132,820
by deSitter
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12/30/03 3:06:46 PM
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New Re: The poltical side is also similar
Now that the Jews have a definite political structure, I suppose we can expect a similar schism to appear in that religion. For all I know it's already happened.
-drl
Post #132,862
by Arkadiy
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12/30/03 5:50:31 PM
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New Jews went thorough this long ago
This is not the first time that Jews had a definite political structure :)

I am not quite sure what battles happened back then, but the end result was: all truth is in Torah, but Torah cannot be properly interpreted without a huge oral tradition coming from Moses via Aaron, his sons and discipples and so on.

So it seems that Jews managed to sintethize Protestantism and Catolicism.
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"It\ufffds possible to build a reasonably prosperous society that invests in its people, doesn\ufffdt invade its neighbors, opposes Israel and stands up to America. (Just look at France.)"

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Post #132,873
by JayMehaffey
12/30/03 6:35:06 PM
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New Probably happened multiple times
Major splits in the Jewish religion have happened many times, but often the only reference we have is the Torah itself and it is by no means an unbiased source. Nor does it tend to record anything but the religous aspects of the disputes, even though many of them obviously had geographic, poltical or other significant aspects.

Evidence suggests that the Christian religion itself was split off because of such a dispute. The movement that spawned the Christian religion became a major movement in Isreal because the population was angry with the way the leaders and high priests where selling out to the Romans.

Once again this was a religious / poltical dispute where a significant portion of the population turned away from the previously accepted central authority.

Jay
     Need a clarification on the point of Catholic doctrine - (Arkadiy) - (28) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:26:51 PM EST
         Or, as the ancient Egyptians sang to Pharaoh . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 30, 2003, 01:47:30 PM EST
         Not as I recall - (hnick) - Dec. 30, 2003, 01:55:34 PM EST
         More proper term: "Vicar of Christ" - (ChrisR) - (22) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:08:00 PM EST
             Right, have heard same from C friends - (deSitter) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:12:31 PM EST
             Must be an eduction failure - (Arkadiy) - (20) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:29:33 PM EST
                 Re: Must be an eduction failure - (deSitter) - (3) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:45:05 PM EST
                     Eucharist.. - (ChrisR) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:52:58 PM EST
                     The pope does not seem to me to be inevitable - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 30, 2003, 06:26:47 PM EST
                         Re: The pope does not seem to me to be inevitable - (danreck) - Jan. 5, 2004, 04:46:50 PM EST
                 That's a universal religious problem - (ChrisR) - (6) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:48:17 PM EST
                     Re: That's a universal religious problem - (deSitter) - (1) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:52:08 PM EST
                         Yes and no - (ChrisR) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:57:15 PM EST
                     The poltical side is also similar - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Dec. 30, 2003, 03:02:51 PM EST
                         Re: The poltical side is also similar - (deSitter) - (2) - Dec. 30, 2003, 03:06:46 PM EST
                             Jews went thorough this long ago - (Arkadiy) - Dec. 30, 2003, 05:50:31 PM EST
                             Probably happened multiple times - (JayMehaffey) - Dec. 30, 2003, 06:35:06 PM EST
                 Well he could have taken other courses of action - (orion) - (8) - Dec. 30, 2003, 03:20:30 PM EST
                     Stay out of it, OK? (new thread) - (deSitter) - Dec. 30, 2003, 03:22:08 PM EST
                     You don't become atheist for "benefits" - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Dec. 30, 2003, 06:33:23 PM EST
                         While I respect your beliefs - (orion) - (5) - Dec. 30, 2003, 07:55:25 PM EST
                             Then don't accept them - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 30, 2003, 09:01:08 PM EST
                                 Something interesting for you... - (danreck) - (3) - Jan. 6, 2004, 12:03:53 PM EST
                                     There is a reason that I do not call myself an agnostic - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Jan. 6, 2004, 02:12:44 PM EST
                                         Thanks for the clarification - (danreck) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2004, 04:28:08 PM EST
                                             What a Horrifying thought! - (Ashton) - Jan. 7, 2004, 05:22:07 AM EST
         Only when speaking ex cathedra - (Silverlock) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:15:03 PM EST
         Ob. Sentient LRPD. - (Silverlock) - Dec. 30, 2003, 02:16:23 PM EST
         Turn to the bible - (orion) - Dec. 30, 2003, 03:34:31 PM EST

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