Post #131,784
12/22/03 8:30:41 AM
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Fewer doubts
of an [link|http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp?pg=2|Iraq Al Qaeda connection] And Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut Democrat and presidential candidate, discussed the connections in an appearance last week on MSNBC's "Hardball with Chris Matthews." Said Lieberman: "I want to be real clear about the connection with terrorists. I've seen a lot of evidence on this. There are extensive contacts between Saddam Hussein's government and al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. I never could reach the conclusion that [Saddam] was part of September 11. Don't get me wrong about that. But there was so much smoke there that it made me worry. And you know, some people say with a great facility, al Qaeda and Saddam could never get together. He is secular and they're theological. But there's something that tied them together. It's their hatred of us."
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
It goes in, it must come out.Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law
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Post #131,805
12/22/03 10:01:00 AM
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Re: Fewer doubts
Everybody hates us, because (since the end of the War) we are often hateful. What does that prove?
-drl
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Post #131,809
12/22/03 10:04:57 AM
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Proves nothing.
But the article goes into some detail about the suspected ties to the Sudanese pharm plant that Clinton blew up.
Lieberman's quote seemed appropriate though.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
It goes in, it must come out.Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #131,810
12/22/03 10:09:12 AM
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Not really...
most of the article is a whining piece asking: "So, when the Clinton administration wants to justify its strike on al Shifa," this official tells me, "it's okay to use an Iraq-al Qaeda connection. But now that the Bush administration and George Tenet talk about links, it's suddenly not believable?"
in it's complaint that if Clinton used an Iraq-al Qaeda connection as justification for an attack, why is the Bush administration blasted for using it for the justification of an invasion. This ignores 2 things: First, the level of the information, during the Clinton years was even higher than it currently is. "We know for a fact, physical evidence, soil samples of VX precursor--chemical precursor at the site," said Richardson. "Secondly, Wolf, direct evidence of ties between Osama bin Laden and the Military Industrial Corporation--the al Shifa factory was part of that. This is an operation--a collection of buildings that does a lot of this dirty munitions stuff. And, thirdly, there is no evidence that this precursor has a commercial application. So, you combine that with Sudan support for terrorism, their connections with Iraq on VX, and you combine that, also, with the chemical precursor issue, and Sudan's leadership support for Osama bin Laden, and you've got a pretty clear cut case."
this kinda failed out when... Other questions persisted as well. Clinton administration officials initially scoffed at the notion that al Shifa produced any pharmaceutical products. But reporters searching through the rubble found empty aspirin bottles, as well as other indications that the plant was not used exclusively to produce chemical weapons. The strikes came in the middle of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, leaving some analysts to wonder whether President Clinton was following the conspiratorial news-management scenario laid out in "Wag the Dog," then a hit movie.
... if we're wrong about what the plant was producing, we could be wrong about connections to al Qaeda. Of course, the second reason is simple: Americans aren't at risk in a bombing.
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Post #131,819
12/22/03 10:26:14 AM
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Leibermann - The Repo man's next best thing.
Had a chat at the local aiport with several other pilots - all Republican of course - I am the token progressive pilot (apparently - in the known Universe). One of them remarked, "Of all the Democrats running, Leibermann is the one I'd vote for." I replied with the obvious: "That's because he's the most Right Wing of the Democrats running." Remember this turd is the one that called for Clinton to resign. He's a step-child Repo man with credentials that include teaming up with the Veep's wife for censorship. He is a despicable turd. What else would you expect from such excrement but YAN apologist for the current crop?
bcnu, Mikem
Java, Junk. Both start with a "J", both have four letters. Coincidence? I think not.
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Post #131,821
12/22/03 10:28:12 AM
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Keep it up...
Eating your own is going to cost 4 more years of GWB.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
It goes in, it must come out.Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #131,835
12/22/03 11:13:30 AM
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Heh. He's not one of our own.
He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I didn't know much about him when he ran with Gore, but I started looking into his politics when I heard that he was simultaneously running for the Senate - bad politics in anybody's book. This guy might well be a Repo-plant to lure away moderate democrats.
bcnu, Mikem
Java, Junk. Both start with a "J", both have four letters. Coincidence? I think not.
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Post #131,844
12/22/03 11:56:09 AM
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concur: not ours
That J. Lieberman is now at least scores of officials removed from the presidential succession is the single consolation I draw from the 2000 s/election. As to his prospects as the party nominee in next year's contest it seems to me that, as others have observed, given a choice between a real Republican and a faux-Republican most voters will choose the genuine article.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #132,953
12/31/03 9:19:32 AM
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Not one of whose own?
Sounds like you're warming up to a purge. So what would you do with Lieberman: assassination or the Gulag? Too bad for you it's a free country.
He's the closest thing to a mensch in the whole Dem primary. He could save the party from itself. It's looking very much like Dean's shot himself in the foot, twice in as many weeks. First the Saddam snarkiness, then the unconvincing religious conversion. When he goes down, what will be left of the Democrat party? Not anything you'd approve of. But if the Lieb toughs it out, he'll be emerging from the fallout shelter to run in 2008.
Anyway, he's probably got my vote. In the primary, that is. I don't expect him to win, but I want to give him some encouragement. Also, it's a great protest vote against the Dem party establishment and their poster boy, and that smirking fraud Dean. This primary's a joke, but odds are the joke will be on the jokers. Again. Sometimes I wonder [link|http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/110702.html|just what they're smoking in that smoke-filled room].
(I'm unaffiliated, so I can vote in whichever primary I want. This year I don't even have to ponder the options.)
---------------------------------------------------------------- DEAL WITH IT. "How can I go to the bathroom when my people are in bondage?" - Saddam Hussein "If I may be candid for a moment, and let's see you try to stop me..." - Jay Conrad Levinson Compromise is for suckers. Seeking a middle ground is what led to 9/11. "I do not want to be admired by scumbags and liars and wife beaters. I want to be admired by good and decent, intelligent and just people, and in order to achieve this I need to do things that make me despised by their opposites." - Bill Whittle Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas? [link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
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