Saddam claimed to be arrested in Tikrit

Post #130,687 by dmarker 12/14/03 6:55:08 AM 12/14/03 6:57:56 AM Reply	Saddam claimed to be arrested in Tikrit source is Iranian news agency - but not confirmed. [link\|http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8164695%255E1702,00.html\|http://www.theaustra...%255E1702,00.html] Doug M Edited by dmarker Dec. 14, 2003, 06:57:56 AM EST Expand All History
Post #130,693 by Arkadiy 12/14/03 10:26:15 AM Reply	This one got taken alive! Very good job, US Armed Forces!!! -- "There's nothing more nervous than a million dollars. It does not speak French, it does not speak English, it does not speak German and it moves very fast." -- Jean Chretien
Post #130,709 by Nightowl 12/14/03 2:04:57 PM 12/14/03 9:50:38 PM Reply	I agree completely It was the main mission of all the soldiers who went there, to find and capture or kill Saddam, so I am proud of them, they did a tremendous job and got their man! One more card out of the deck. ;) Anyone have any idea how many are left to get? Nightowl >8# Edit: changed soldier to soldiers. "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O} Edited by Nightowl Dec. 14, 2003, 09:50:38 PM EST Expand All History
Post #130,711 by hnick 12/14/03 2:52:28 PM Reply	The only ones left to get are everybody that opposes Bush's fantasies. Other than that, it's pretty well wrapped up.
Post #130,731 by deSitter 12/14/03 7:07:46 PM Reply	Idiocy In case you forgot, there was a little lie about immediate danger from gas and bio-weapons. Did I use too many big words? This is just the stupid conventional voice of the brainwashed, uneducated, easily-manipulated dolts that make up the electorate. -drl
Post #130,734 by rcareaga 12/14/03 7:27:30 PM Reply	What. He. Said.
Post #130,744 by bepatient 12/14/03 8:39:56 PM Reply	Regardless of the reasons they went... ...Saddam was who they were after. So while you feel the urge...she had a valid point. Yours may be too...but no more so. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #130,745 by deSitter 12/14/03 8:43:14 PM Reply	Re: Regardless of the reasons they went... The bottom line is that is wasn't strictly honorable what happened. This has been the case before in American history (Mexican War, very similar in some ways). I am not comfortable with it at all. I feel like I could lose my freedom, that all the freedom being doled out was taken from me. The whole episode makes me ill as an American, and the idea that patting the heads of "our boys" makes it all OK is wrong. Somehow the entire Jeffersonian idea was just trampled. -drl
Post #130,749 by bepatient 12/14/03 9:25:49 PM Reply	Right or wrong... ...is a political issue. You disagree with the political aspects of the issue. Patting the heads of "our boys" is something that should be done. They deserve it. Its a distinction that is important. Having our boys come back to a post-vietnam style welcome would be a travesry that need not be repeated in our history. They didn't choose the mission...they fulfilled it...at great risk to themselves. They deserve that pat on the back. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #130,750 by deSitter 12/14/03 9:28:10 PM Reply	Re: Right or wrong... The military is not automatically right. It is right insofar as it is used in a just cause with the wide support of civilized nations, and in accord with both precedent and principle. -drl
Post #130,751 by bepatient 12/14/03 9:30:57 PM Reply	As a defined term.. ...I'll agree with your statement. I will not agree to smite the soldier for doing his sworn duty. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #130,759 by Nightowl 12/14/03 9:55:22 PM Reply	And I say.... AMEN to that. If soldiers aren't made to feel proud of what they do to protect us, and aren't treated well when they return and given the honor and respect they deserve, how can we ever expect more people to want to be soldiers in the first place? Every soldier over there has been doing his duty to protect the US and that all by itself deserves our thanks and admiration. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,764 by boxley 12/14/03 10:00:21 PM Reply	That is part of the problem If soldiers aren't made to feel proud of what they do to protect us, and aren't treated well when they return and given the honor and respect they deserve, how can we ever expect more people to want to be soldiers in the first place? is the entire problem with our foreign policy. I would much rather have a force composed of citizenry that were drafted, dont want to be there and are pissed about it. It would make the pol's much less likely to use the armed forces as pawns. When you have a core of highly trained career soldiers directing the great unwashed, their deployment becomes a last resort, not the first. thanx, bill stick a spork in it. questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #130,767 by deSitter 12/14/03 10:03:44 PM Reply	Re: That is part of the problem I couldn't have said it better and won't try. -drl
Post #130,773 by Nightowl 12/14/03 10:11:02 PM Reply	Re: That is part of the problem Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, but myself, I would much rather have a group of people who WANT to be there and WANT to fight for their country. If there were people there who didn't want to be, I'd be more worried about them deserting or doing other things to not do their best to do their jobs. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,779 by boxley 12/14/03 10:19:37 PM Reply	I see you dont understand democracy or history or freedom If an army consists of citizen soldiers then the army will only be used to defend ourselves. A professionally staffed army is mercenary in nature and over time is staffed and run by people inimical to the freedoms of the average citizen. A quick referal to a book the rise and fall of the roman empire will indicate when a vital early rome that required all citizens to fight abdicated that to mercenary armies they collapsed into decay as the mercenaries were not loathe to attack the citizenry. Go back to sleep. thanx, bill stick a spork in it. questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #130,758 by Nightowl 12/14/03 9:52:52 PM Reply	Re: Regardless of the reasons they went... And when did I ever indicate at any point it was honorable??? I simply said that if you asked any soldier, and I know, cause I've talked to a few before, who was there, they would tell you their main objective was to get Saddam. Secondary objectives were findin WMDs, etc. etc. etc. I don't see how you manage to always twist everything I post into garbage, but I'm cleaning it up. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,761 by deSitter 12/14/03 9:56:47 PM Reply	And I am pointing out that the military derives its honor from the people and the government it represents, not for actions in themselves out of context. That may be OK for the honored veterans of the Wehrmacht but not for my army. -drl
Post #130,771 by Nightowl 12/14/03 10:08:50 PM Reply	And failing to see... The entire point of my original post. It wasn't about honor, it wasn't about the reasons for the war. It wasn't about political issues. It was simply about MY applauding the troops for a job well done, and relief that they had finally achieved what most of them considered to be their main objective. I won't have you twisting this into anything more than it was. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,762 by orion 12/14/03 9:58:19 PM Reply	I think it was because our Commander in Chief said that Saddam had WoMDs in a speech. Military Intelligence said he had them. Documents were faked to make it look like he was trying to get them. True he did use them in the past against his own people. He sure didn't seem to have them any more, just empty warheads. If he did have them, they are cleverly hidden. If the President said Saddam is a mad-man who is killing his own people and we have to go in there and remove Saddam from power for the good of the Iraqi people. Instead he made Saddam a threat to the USA and the world by saying he had WoMD, and people like me believed that. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,775 by Nightowl 12/14/03 10:13:24 PM Reply	Maybe so, but... As I've already pointed out, that was not the point of my post. It had nothing to do with any political ramifications. :) Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,863 by mmoffitt 12/15/03 3:40:22 PM Reply	Thanks. ...Saddam was who they were after. So, this wasn't about WMD, harboring terrorists, imminent threats, etc. It was, after all and as I suspected, motivated by the conviction of a man who was simultaneously denied entrance to a Texas State College law school on academic grounds and accepted to Harvard Business School on financial grounds "that thar Sad-Dam tried to keel mah da-deeee, Eye's a gonna get 'im." Nice to know our foreign policy is in the hands of adults. bcnu, Mikem Java, Junk. Both start with a "J", both have four letters. Coincidence? I think not.
Post #130,756 by Nightowl 12/14/03 9:47:24 PM 12/14/03 9:49:00 PM Reply	Uh excuse me... I thought you weren't going to be replying to me anymore? I never said it was the ONLY reason.. and I said it was the soldier's mission, not Bushs'. Ask any soldier in Iraq and they will tell you they were there to capture Saddam. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O} Edited by Nightowl Dec. 14, 2003, 09:49:00 PM EST Expand All History
Post #130,851 by mmoffitt 12/15/03 2:18:17 PM Reply	Ibid. bcnu, Mikem Java, Junk. Both start with a "J", both have four letters. Coincidence? I think not.
Post #130,807 by Nightowl 12/15/03 11:18:12 AM Reply	Kewl! Got the answer to the question! Apparently there are 13 more people from the "deck of cards" to be captured from Saddam's regime. I found out the answer watching 60 minutes (which I taped from last night). Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,723 by lincoln 12/14/03 6:22:00 PM Reply	Anyone notice how, in the picture going around the Internet, that Saddam looks an awful lot like Charles Manson? lincoln "Windows XP has so many holes in its security that any reasonable user will conclude it was designed by the same German officer who created the prison compound in "Hogan's Heroes." - Andy Ihnatko, Chicago Sun-Times [link\|http://users3.ev1.net/~bconnors/resume.htm\|VB/SQL resume] [link\|http://users3.ev1.net/~bconnors/tandem_resume.htm\|Tandem resume] [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #130,739 by boxley 12/14/03 8:06:08 PM Reply	first thought I had, must be all that desert air stick a spork in it. questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #130,740 by deSitter 12/14/03 8:12:22 PM Reply	Nostradamus Prediticed It [image\|http://www.nwlsd.org/polljo/jbweb/brown1.jpg\|\|\|\|] Just kidding. -drl
Post #130,755 by orion 12/14/03 9:44:44 PM Reply	I was thinking more of Fidel Castro but then crazy looking guys in a beard all look alike to me. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,778 by a6l6e6x 12/14/03 10:18:11 PM Reply	He looks like any number of the homeless that hang out near the main library in "uptown" Charlotte. Alex A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true. -- Demosthenes, Greek orator (384-322 BCE)

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