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Post #128,410 by JayMehaffey 12/1/03 11:33:54 PM Reply	I thought of that I already thought of that but there it doesn't seem to likely to me. I did notice the recent admission from the US that some of the police and other Iraqi's recruited by the US where passing information to the other side. But I see a lot more against that theory. For one, initial US reporting on the ambush was pretty bad, if they had been staged the information gathering would have been better. Second, it doesn't appear that any air support was available to either attacked group. I find it hard to believe that the US would stage a counter-ambush without a couple of attack helicopters near by. And finally, the US did just drive out of at least one of the attacks, if not both. The Iraqi's tried to block the unit's passage with improvised barriers and explosives, but the barriers where not sufficent to stop US tanks. Jay
Post #128,457 by marlowe 12/2/03 9:37:46 AM Reply	No, your argument doesn't follow in real war. You're ignoring the omnipresent friction of war. Even in the most perfectly executed strategy, there are substantial random variables. The way you win most times is by the averages. Fight in such a way as to win more often than you lose, then keep plugging past the turning point. It's either that, or the sudden appearance of a miracle weapon at the last minute. Maybe this is the fundamental mental defect of those who get all happy about every little cluster of alliance casualties. They think if we lose anyone at all, we must have lost the whole war. No, that's not the bottom of it. The bottom of it is they're so desperate to see America and/or Dubya humiliated that they'll grasp at any straw. And they can't even bring themselves to deny it. How about you? Would you rather see the bad guys win than see Dubya vindicated? Just checking.. ---------------------------------------------------------------- DEAL WITH IT. "If I may be candid for a moment, and let's see you try to stop me..." - Jay Conrad Levinson Compromise is for suckers. Seeking a middle ground is what led to 9/11. "I do not want to be admired by scumbags and liars and wife beaters. I want to be admired by good and decent, intelligent and just people, and in order to achieve this I need to do things that make me despised by their opposites." - Bill Whittle Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #128,487 by JayMehaffey 12/2/03 12:53:11 PM Reply	Re: No, your argument doesn't follow in real war. You're ignoring the omnipresent friction of war. Even in the most perfectly executed strategy, there are substantial random variables. The way you win most times is by the averages. Fight in such a way as to win more often than you lose, then keep plugging past the turning point. It's either that, or the sudden appearance of a miracle weapon at the last minute. That might work against an opposing army, but what we are facing in Iraq now is a guerrilla insurgency. They don't care much how many they lose relative to how many we lose, nor can you effectivly take land from them or attack their infrastructure. The US won the vast majority of the battles in Vietnam but ended up losing the war, if the US loses in Iraq it will be the same way. How about you? Would you rather see the bad guys win than see Dubya vindicated? Just checking.. Personally I see bad guys on both sides of that equation. I'm also wondering how the above is connected to the previous argument about the ambushes and possibility of counter-ambush of American forces. Jay
Post #128,470 by deSitter 12/2/03 10:34:30 AM Reply	PLEASE DON'T FEED PIGEONS AND TROLLS -drl
Post #128,478 by marlowe 12/2/03 11:27:34 AM Reply	Please do get over yourself. I have at least as much right to be here as you have. If you can't handle points of view other than your own, that's your problem. I won't goosestep to your tune. ---------------------------------------------------------------- DEAL WITH IT. "If I may be candid for a moment, and let's see you try to stop me..." - Jay Conrad Levinson Compromise is for suckers. Seeking a middle ground is what led to 9/11. "I do not want to be admired by scumbags and liars and wife beaters. I want to be admired by good and decent, intelligent and just people, and in order to achieve this I need to do things that make me despised by their opposites." - Bill Whittle Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]

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