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New I jumped on...
...the characterization that the "democratic" thing to do is >re-contract< for the oil rights.

The US, as a democracy, (if your statement were correct) would be forced to honor the contracts already in place with Russia and France.

If you want exact figures...I could pull out the annual report of my company...mais ce n'est pas necessaire, je pense.

And we're back to discussing oil rights that have no bearing on US sources of supply. So I guess we've done a great favor to Japan, Russia and the EU.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Check these links ...
Google ...
Iraq oil contracts
Chalabi Iraq

Here are a few links that paint an interesting picture - they are pretty much
reflective of a consistent picture & pattern. The themes are consistent even though the sources are wide & varied

Cheers - Doug

TRAINING for IRAQ Liberation
[link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2905881.stm|http://news.bbc.co.u...urope/2905881.stm] training for 'democratic' govt of Iraq

[link|http://www.sundayherald.com/30420|http://www.sundayherald.com/30420] more about Rumsfeld's pre-Iraq war European activities


Ahmad CHALABI's questionable role
[link|http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-contracts7nov07000440,0,5676525.story?coll=la-headlines-world|http://www.latimes.c...a-headlines-world] Chalabi's pay-offs

[link|http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2003/msg01943.html|http://www.casi.org....003/msg01943.html] Unflattering comments about Wolfy's Iraqi friend

[link|http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/09/24/sprj.irq.bush.chalabi/|http://edition.cnn.c...irq.bush.chalabi/] Unflattering CNN comments
"The U.S. military even airlifted him into Iraq after the war. Now he seems out of step with Washington."

[link|http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20030923-0743-iraq-un-seat.html|http://www.signonsan...iraq-un-seat.html] 'democratic' Chalabi takes Iraq's UN seat

[link|http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Ahmed_Chalabi|http://www.disinfope...tle=Ahmed_Chalabi] Various US opinions on Chalabi
'If Chalabi is the guy, there could be a civil war after Saddam's overthrow,' one former C.I.A. operative told me.
A former high-level Pentagon official added, 'There are some things that a President can't order up,
and an internal opposition is one.'"[4]


[link|http://www.islamonline.net/english/In_Depth/Iraq_Aftermath/2003/05/article_32.shtml|http://www.islamonli.../article_32.shtml] An Arab view of Chalabi

[link|http://www.themoscowtimes.ru/stories/2003/09/24/201.html|http://www.themoscow...03/09/24/201.html] point here is that unless Chalabi 'tows the US line' as per the Rumsfeld Iraq script, he will run foul of Washington.

[link|http://slate.msn.com/id/2083736/|http://slate.msn.com/id/2083736/] Chalabi as main source for WMD claims (Repubs testing if Chalabi can be 'fitted up')


OIL and OIL CONTRACTS

[link|http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200008/09/eng20000809_47788.html|http://fpeng.peopled...000809_47788.html] Pre war - Iraq attacks US Britain for blocking oil contracts

[link|http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2003/04/16042003161849.asp|http://www.rferl.org...6042003161849.asp] Point here is that Russia lost its biggest contracts and won't get
them back unless it accepts US controlled 'democratization' of Iraq

[link|http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,805530,00.html|http://observer.guar...03,805530,00.html]
UK Guardian on US oil grab

[link|http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/Nightline/NTL_oil_iraq_021004.html|http://abcnews.go.co..._iraq_021004.html] Spoils of war

[link|http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/iraq.html|http://www.eia.doe.g...eu/cabs/iraq.html] Info on Iraq oil reserves

[link|http://www.mail-archive.com/airheads-chat@micapeak.com/msg02636.html|http://www.mail-arch...com/msg02636.html] Interesting claim that Iraq's oil reserves are not what everyone thinks !!!

[link|http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2003/0305oil.html|http://www.fpif.org/...2003/0305oil.html] Interesting opinions on oil issue
"Its the oil stupid"
Washington will seek United Nations Security Council resolutions lifting the
economic sanctions in order to allow sales of Iraqi oil. But administration
officials vow to exclude the UN from decisionmaking on the disposition of
Iraqi oil assets.

BUT MOST TELLING (in support of the case I made) ...
According to the Energy Department, these undeveloped fields may hold as much as 200 billion barrels of oil, making this the largest pool of unexploited petroleum in the world. Saddam had awarded contracts to firms in Russia, China, and France to develop some of these fields, but any government installed by the United States--certainly one headed by Chalabi--would declare those contracts void.

#1 - tidied up dup links
#2 - fixed mixed up link re CNN
Expand Edited by dmarker Nov. 16, 2003, 06:29:49 PM EST
Expand Edited by dmarker Nov. 17, 2003, 12:52:12 AM EST
Expand Edited by dmarker Nov. 17, 2003, 03:03:17 AM EST
     British companies to be allowed into Iraq - (JayMehaffey) - (9)
         To me twas always about legally tying up oil contracts then: - (dmarker) - (8)
             #2 - (bepatient) - (7)
                 Saddam was a democracy? - (Simon_Jester) - (6)
                     Yes I'm sure - (bepatient) - (5)
                         Re your 'bunk' - (dmarker)
                         Not sure what #4 is... - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                             To be fair to him ... - (dmarker) - (2)
                                 I jumped on... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                     Check these links ... - (dmarker)

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