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New Linux is not Windows
I don't want Linux to be like Windows, but I do expect Linux to get easier to use and configure to attract Windows users over to it. A lot of modern OSes have features that make using the OS easier, like Mac OSX, BeOS, AmigaOS, and of course Windows. Like automatically creating icons that launch programs, add and remove program GUIs, Hardware Device Manager GUIs, Printer Manager GUIs, User Manager GUIs, etc.

Like the missing features Linux has, like the application icon creation after installing a program. The feature is just not there, at least in Red Hat. For example Red Hat 9.0 has Mozilla 1.2.1 installed, I download 1.4 and install it, yet the X Menu icons still point to the 1.2.1 versions. Have to manually find the new location of 1.4, and change the icons/launchers to point to it. Have to reinstall or symbolic link the JRE Plug-In for 1.4 so Java can work. This sort of thing scares away potential users, and keeps the PHBs from accepting Linux.

There should be a Linux Add/Remove Program feature with an easy to use GUI built into the OS. It also is a missing feature. RPM works, but RPM can easily mess up the RPM database.

I haven't used Lindows yet, because I haven't been able to afford a copy yet. I wonder how User Friendly they made it?



"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New Re: Linux is not Windows
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Debian (and Debian-based distros such as Xandros, Progeny, and Lindows) handle this through the 'menu' system. New pograms added through APT are automatically added to system menus. Third-party programs which are menu-aware can similarly use this mechanism. Result: you don't en up with system menus having null entries (a menu entry with no program behind it) and largely every GUI program adds itself to the system menus. This works across all window managers. From twm to GNOME.

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Debian: [link|http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/|Synaptic].

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This one I'll grant you somewhat. Note that in the case of Linux, it's often easier to autodetect and autoconfigure hardware, as the [link|http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/kudzu.html|kudzu] tool from Red Hat. Hardware support in Linux is generally almost easier than with Windows: if the device is supported, it leaves a signature somewhere which can be detected, and the appropriate kernel module then autoloaded. And given that predicate, the fundamental problem of writing a GUI wrapper around the identifyication of recognized and unrecognized hardware is not all that difficult.

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Printer Manager GUIs
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[link|http://www.cups.org/|CUPS]. Can use some improvement, but fundamentally works.

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User Manager GUIs
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For better or worse (mostly worse): [link|http://www.webmin.com/|webmin]. The problem is: all of these tools are fundamentally limiting and information hiding. For many users, this is sufficient. For serious administration, it has all the same problems that the NT and kin's GUI admin has: you end up with a class of administrators which is fundamentally ignorant of what's going on behind the scenes. For this reason, while I am not opposed to such tools being available, I vastly prefer that the primary config tools be clear, well-defined, documented, sane, configuration files.

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etc.
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Got that: /etc ;-)

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\r\nLike the missing features Linux has, like the application icon creation after installing a program. The feature is just not there, at least in Red Hat. For example Red Hat 9.0 has Mozilla 1.2.1 installed, I download 1.4 and install it, yet the X Menu icons still point to the 1.2.1 versions. Have to manually find the new location of 1.4, and change the icons/launchers to point to it. Have to reinstall or symbolic link the JRE Plug-In for 1.4 so Java can work. This sort of thing scares away potential users, and keeps the PHBs from accepting Linux.\r\n
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Note that this is just one of many weaknesses of RH and RPM-based distros which become clear once you've had experience with a policy-based distribution. Given policy, you can dictate how packages interact, and you can create functionality (eg: the Debian menus system) based on those interactions, and require that it work.

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     Linux annoyances - (kmself) - (29)
         You forgot printers. - (static) - (3)
             Printers: CUPS - (kmself) - (2)
                 A lot of the drivers suck though. - (admin) - (1)
                     Re: A lot of the drivers suck though. - (deSitter)
         Re: Linux annoyances - (deSitter) - (24)
             Re: Linux annoyances - (kmself) - (22)
                 Re: Linux annoyances - (deSitter) - (19)
                     Re: Linux annoyances - (pwhysall) - (18)
                         Re: Linux annoyances - (deSitter) - (17)
                             Mozilla 1.2? - (Yendor) - (5)
                                 Re: Mozilla 1.2? - (deSitter) - (4)
                                     Re: Mozilla 1.2? - (Yendor)
                                     Talk to me - (orion) - (2)
                                         Re: Talk to me - (deSitter) - (1)
                                             I'll send you some email -NT - (orion)
                             Never been an issue. - (admin) - (8)
                                 Re: Never been an issue. - (deSitter) - (7)
                                     I don't care how. - (admin) - (3)
                                         I don't doubt that apt is good - (deSitter) - (2)
                                             Look it up. - (admin)
                                             apt and rpm are not equivalent - (pwhysall)
                                     How does it know? Debian packaging infrastructure. - (kmself) - (2)
                                         Thanks, very informative -NT - (deSitter)
                                         thanks for the link to Siobhan's paper - (cforde)
                             That's a SuSE issue. - (pwhysall)
                             Also... - (pwhysall)
                 Linux is not Windows - (orion) - (1)
                     Re: Linux is not Windows - (kmself)
             www.google.com/search?q=fontconfig - (pwhysall)

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