Post #123,254
10/29/03 11:55:21 AM
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You could always blame Clinton... and another shot
which is what Montana Gov. Marc Racicot [link|http://www.kaimin.org/sept00/9-6-00/oped1_9-6-00.html|did].
Yet another shot... [image|http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/10/27/national/28fire.l.jpg||||]
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Post #123,255
10/29/03 11:58:25 AM
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*wow*
Astounding - the trees out there have waxy leaves that seem able to withstand heat to a point - the shake-roofed houses went up like dryer lint.
-drl
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Post #123,264
10/29/03 12:22:46 PM
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shake roofs
I don't understand why people would put kindling on their homes...
Have fun, Carl Forde
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Post #123,275
10/29/03 1:00:05 PM
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HOA and covenants
Sometimes, they don't have a choice.
As to why one would want to live in such a restricted area is something that's baffled me for ages.
----- Steve
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Post #123,277
10/29/03 1:08:26 PM
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Guaranteed.
Whenever you see photos of a pristine neighborhood except all the houses are ashes it was shake shingles. This scene is typical of California fires that burn homes. I haven't one shread of sympathy for any of these people.
Many homeowners associations absolutely require shakes - no other roof is allowed, especially in "gated communities" which tend to be up in fire prone areas. The fire retardant treatments boasted by the industry are completely worthless, except to make the product more profitable.
Periodically, the state legislature moves to ban them, but every time this comes up the shingle industry buys as many legislators as is required to defeat the measure. Legislators are uniformly scum for hire here as elsewhere.
When I moved into this valley, the mountains were on fire for 10 miles to the left and 20 miles to the right. Some homes were lost. I examined the area later. None of the homes lost were on the fire line because those had asphault roofs. The homes that burned were farther in and had shake roofs.
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Post #123,375
10/29/03 10:36:34 PM
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Not Guaranteed
Yes, virtually all shake-roofed or sided houses will burn. But not all burned houses have shakes. \r\n\r\n Two photos from one [link|http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/28/state2102EST7451.DTL|SF Cron fire story] yesterday grabbed me. The first shows [link|http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object.cgi?object=/chronicle/pictures/2003/10/28/mn_wildfires_crest01.jpg&paper=news&file=state2102EST7451.DTL&directory=/news/archive/2003/10/28&type=news|a burned-out adobe-walled, tile-roofed house] -- I saw the tiles on the ground and through "something's wrong". \r\n\r\n More unbelivable is [link|http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object.cgi?object=/chronicle/pictures/2003/10/28/mn_wildfires_scripps01.jpg&paper=news&file=state2102EST7451.DTL&directory=/news/archive/2003/10/28&type=news|a burned-out street...surrounded by unburned eucalyptus]. I find this completely surreal. Eucalypts don't burn. They explode. The fact that most of them appear unscathed (looks like there are fire scars at top right) is simply amazing. \r\n\r\n
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Post #123,378
10/29/03 11:16:14 PM
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Anything will burn if you get it hot enough . .
. . but you won't find many burned out tile roofed adobes surrounded by pristine lawns and untouched trees. I don't see a lot of brick wall so I suspect this house had plenty of architecturally stylish vulnerabilities.
I remember an older lady who did it right up in Ventura county. She lost her home when the entire tract burned down. The next time that tract burned to the ground her house stood unscathed in the middle of a square mile of ashes that used to be houses.
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Post #123,379
10/29/03 11:17:07 PM
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Re: Not Guaranteed
Well, fire is kinda a lot like tornadoes. It doesn't necessarily take out everything in it's path, it hops around missing one thing, destroying another one. I saw this first hand in the destruction in Los Alamos, after the fact, one house totally untouched, next house gone with burnt cars in the driveway.
I also read the entire book put out about the Los Alamos fire, and it described so many incredible instances, where nature simply picked and chose what to burn and what not to burn.
Bottom line, people are losing homes, lives are being lost, and I just hope and pray they find a way to stop it soon.
Nightowl >8#
"I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"
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Post #123,522
10/30/03 9:59:07 PM
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a lot depends on the circumstances of course
In the Big Lake Fire in Alaska some people refused to evacuate, cut down everything close, pluoghed the dirt and water the house continuously. I remember the forest serice trying to issue injunctions against cutting trees which caused a few shots to go there direction. These people saved their homes. Others lost theirs. I guess the HOA is the modern equivelent of the slum lord, make it as dificult as possible to take pride in ownership. Not only do you rent from the bank and the city, a diferent group demands that you jahwol to the bitte burghers. thanx, bill
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #123,539
10/31/03 2:20:47 AM
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Re: a lot depends on the circumstances of course
Well, the way I'm going I'm lucky to have a roof, but I can't imagine owning a house and then having some asshole with a fat and psychopathic wife tell me what I could do with it.
In Soulard here, the local HOA are brick Nazis. One guy, Old Charlie, has been living there forever, that is, decades before it became a hangout for fashionable types. He painted his brick house white just to piss them off. It's still white, the only white brick house in the area. Very pretty.
-drl
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