Post #123,135
10/28/03 6:20:07 PM
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Octopi: The Intelligent Invertebrate
[link|http://www.discover.com/issues/oct-03/features/feateye/|http://www.discover....features/feateye/]
Good article - haven't finished it yet, though.
In that final hour, when each breath is a struggle to take, and you are looking back over your life's accomplishments, which memories would you treasure? The empires you built, or the joy you spread to others?
Therin lies the true measure of a man.
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Post #123,151
10/28/03 9:10:43 PM
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Re: Octopi
[link|http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200310/msg05552.html|ObDebianHasTheAnswer].
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
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Post #123,153
10/28/03 9:43:00 PM
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Bond, James Bond
Octopussy
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Post #123,155
10/28/03 9:47:19 PM
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Trivia, how small a hole can an octopus escape through?
As long as the beak fits, the whole octopus can squeeze through it!
For humans to keep an awareness of our relative body position and where we are is fairly simple, we have a small number of moving pieces, and well-placed sensors that monitor their relative positions. Humans tend underestimate how much more cognitative ability this simple task requires from an invertebrate with only one solid part.
I think that that alone may be enough to answer the question about why octopi would have well-developed cognition abilities.
Cheers,
Ben
PS This point stolen shamelessly from [link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0198602243/102-2249789-8394563?v=glance|The Oxford Companion to the Mind]. (A classic. Dated, but classic.)
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #123,181
10/28/03 11:13:57 PM
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What I find interesting
What I find interesting is that octopi seem to have evolved a fairly high level of intelligence independent of the chain of evolution that gave humans intelligence.
Suggests that the odds of evolution producing intelligence over a long period of time is not super small.
Jay
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Post #123,185
10/28/03 11:42:57 PM
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While I don't consider him an authoritative source...
...David Brin has done some background on presentient beings in preperation for his "Uplift" series of books. IIRC, the following animals were listed as potential uplift candidates:
Whales (both toothed and nontoothed)
Apes (all)
Dogs
Cats
Raccoons
Elephants
and, of course, Octopuses.
In that final hour, when each breath is a struggle to take, and you are looking back over your life's accomplishments, which memories would you treasure? The empires you built, or the joy you spread to others?
Therin lies the true measure of a man.
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Post #123,189
10/29/03 12:10:40 AM
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Hrm... What do you call an octopus with no arms?
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
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Post #123,195
10/29/03 4:56:58 AM
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Likelier -
octopus
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Post #123,205
10/29/03 7:24:45 AM
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Izzit?
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
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Post #123,219
10/29/03 10:00:30 AM
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Bait
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It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why?
Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand.
Mike Royko
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Post #123,222
10/29/03 10:06:53 AM
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H'armless
-drl
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Post #123,841
11/3/03 12:30:26 PM
8/21/07 6:03:59 AM
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And they're so tasty too!
In Java, you can't escape the creepy feeling.
--James Gosling
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