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Post #122,065 by ben_tilly 10/20/03 4:49:41 PM Reply	A decent idea? One of the key arguments for SOAP from the start was as a way to get around those pesky firewalls. They also admitted that security was something that SOAP did not address. Technologies which are meant to get around security solutions while not addressing security problems do not qualify as decent ideas in my book. Companies (like Microsoft) which have a history of pushing these qualify as problems. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #122,073 by ChrisR 10/20/03 5:09:00 PM Reply	Valid complaint But you still have problems with authentication if you roll your own socket scheme. And authentication is not part of JMS, though the vendors implement their own in the connection.
Post #122,090 by Arkadiy 10/20/03 7:00:33 PM Reply	In fairness, authentication and encription is supposed to be provided by the underlying layer, HTTP. MS uses SSL for encription and NT proprietary crap for authentication, HTTP's own being to weak. -- OK, George W. is deceptive to be sure. Dissembling, too. And let's not forget deceitful. He is lacking veracity and frankness, and void of sooth, though seemingly sincere in his proclivity for pretense. But he did not lie. [link\|http://www.jointhebushwhackers.com/not_a_liar.cfm\|Brian Wimer]

Communication between two servers. - (admin) - (39) - Oct. 20, 2003, 09:23:06 AM EDT

SOAP - (ChrisR) - (8) - Oct. 20, 2003, 10:39:16 AM EDT

Right, that's what I'm trying to avoid. - (admin) - (1) - Oct. 20, 2003, 10:44:22 AM EDT

Welcome to my life -NT - (drewk) - Oct. 20, 2003, 10:47:47 AM EDT

Stupid Object Asskiss Protocol -NT - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Oct. 20, 2003, 02:13:48 PM EDT

SOAP is one those decent ideas... - (ChrisR) - (4) - Oct. 20, 2003, 04:13:34 PM EDT

A decent idea? - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 20, 2003, 04:49:41 PM EDT

Valid complaint - (ChrisR) - Oct. 20, 2003, 05:09:00 PM EDT

In fairness, - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 20, 2003, 07:00:33 PM EDT

No, she's a dog - (tuberculosis) - Oct. 20, 2003, 06:52:00 PM EDT

Quick alphabet soup translation: - (jb4) - (2) - Oct. 20, 2003, 10:49:48 AM EDT

Java Messaging Service - (admin) - (1) - Oct. 20, 2003, 10:51:21 AM EDT

Danke -NT - (jb4) - Oct. 20, 2003, 12:00:07 PM EDT

roll own xinted service? - (deSitter) - Oct. 20, 2003, 10:58:24 AM EDT

Just remember--anything manual can be automated - (FuManChu) - (5) - Oct. 20, 2003, 11:05:20 AM EDT

Well, that's what I meant. - (admin) - Oct. 20, 2003, 11:09:08 AM EDT

I lean towards sockets as well - (tjsinclair) - (3) - Oct. 20, 2003, 12:00:35 PM EDT

Remember there's C++ on the other end. - (admin) - (2) - Oct. 20, 2003, 12:05:20 PM EDT

Name one: - (folkert) - (1) - Oct. 20, 2003, 01:21:06 PM EDT

I'm guessing the answer will be: - (admin) - Oct. 20, 2003, 02:06:56 PM EDT

4. CORBA connection but same objection as JMS Go with socket -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 20, 2003, 11:43:09 AM EDT

My Gut reaction tells me: - (folkert) - (9) - Oct. 20, 2003, 12:01:46 PM EDT

We have plenty of socket servers here already. - (admin) - (8) - Oct. 20, 2003, 12:06:09 PM EDT

Sockets can stream, http does not, its connectionless - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 20, 2003, 12:24:11 PM EDT

HTTP 1.1 supports pipelining, FYI. -NT - (admin) - Oct. 20, 2003, 12:46:07 PM EDT

YALOP - (folkert) - (1) - Oct. 20, 2003, 01:12:26 PM EDT

Agreed - (deSitter) - Oct. 20, 2003, 01:19:38 PM EDT

Why not HTTP? - (tablizer) - (3) - Oct. 24, 2003, 11:06:10 PM EDT

Read the problem description. - (admin) - (2) - Oct. 25, 2003, 12:19:08 AM EDT

You didn't qualify "too much overhead" - (tablizer) - (1) - Oct. 25, 2003, 05:13:44 PM EDT

Packet overhead doesn't matter. - (admin) - Oct. 25, 2003, 07:36:35 PM EDT

DECNet Mailboxes. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Oct. 20, 2003, 01:12:30 PM EDT

AHHH! NO!!! - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 20, 2003, 01:16:29 PM EDT

Silence, heretic. - (pwhysall) - Oct. 20, 2003, 01:23:32 PM EDT

Socket to me - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Oct. 20, 2003, 02:25:08 PM EDT

Why the daemon: - (admin) - (3) - Oct. 20, 2003, 02:56:20 PM EDT

Not an answer then, but a plan of attack :) - (FuManChu) - (2) - Oct. 20, 2003, 05:03:37 PM EDT

Complicated political situation. - (admin) - (1) - Oct. 20, 2003, 05:05:20 PM EDT

You mean you're not king? - (tuberculosis) - Oct. 20, 2003, 06:56:01 PM EDT

Tuxedo/Java Jolt? - (gdaustin) - Oct. 20, 2003, 03:11:19 PM EDT

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