I don't want ANYONE touching amendments.

Post #121,664 by admin 10/17/03 11:31:31 AM Reply	I don't want ANYONE touching amendments. Right now it's hard to do. I don't want to see any precedents set (like the Cali. recall) that give people ideas, whether the change is good or not. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #121,686 by JayMehaffey 10/17/03 1:24:19 PM Reply	Rewrite the whole thing Personally I would like to rewrite the entire constitution, both to update some of the language and fix various problems. Unfortunatly, it won't work because in the current environment any attempt to do so would hopeless mess things up. If we let the current crop of politicians, lawyers, and lobbists rewrite the first admendment it would probably end up being 10 paragraphs long and define seperate rules for political, commercial, religious, government, and non-profit speech. Private speech would have been dropped from the list as not important enough to cover though. Jay
Post #121,740 by orion 10/17/03 5:23:16 PM Reply	Fine as it is, just make admendments instead. Our founding fathers allowed admendments to be make to address future issues. Let the document stand as it is and make admendments to it. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #121,773 by kmself 10/17/03 11:30:37 PM Reply	Gradualism I'm a firm proponent of this principle whether in law or elsewhere. \r\n\r\n The problem, of course, is that you're left with the current brain-death for a long time. The advantage is that you're not replacing it with tomorrow's brain death in one swell foop. There are clearly a great many things about current law and constitution which could be changed. Ensuring that the changes I want are the ones adopted is the problem. Stretching out the processes, given a reasonably good start, means that the process is considered, and the incremental damage is small. --\r\n Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #121,787 by JayMehaffey 10/18/03 1:01:34 AM Reply	Only goes so far Gradualism only goes so far, because history shows that political systems accumulate errors at a faster rate then they can be corrected. Eventually you get either a revolution or a collapse. I'm not sure we are at that point yet, but I'm not nearly as optimistic as I used to be about it. Jay
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