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Yes it will be interesting to see if it is used as a whipping post to get NASA increased funding & a chance to push national pride into greater space exploration.

I kinda like the thought of a bit of competition on this. Gives us some alternate focus (away from OBLs Allah & Iraq :-)

I wonder why China is playing it all so low key - could it be that they don't want to stir up competitive nationalism ? - not really sure but it is a possibility. One would have imagined crowds going into Tienanmen and whooping it up.

Cheers Doug

New Re: Super!
The Russians were also secretive. Say what you will about Americans, we have the balls to fuck up on live TV :)
-drl
New Yeah, throw more money at the problem.
NASA is the problem. They haven't had a vision since the 1970's. And they're screwing up enough with what we give them. The Challenger and Columbia disaster both resulted from mismanagement, which arose from lack of accountability. No amount of money will compensate for a lack of accountability. And throwing more money at it only makes it worse.

Get those goldbricking bastards out of the way and let the space entrepreneurs step forward. That's assuming of course, that we even want a manned space program.

Oh, and, tell me again why we need a manned space program? What exactly is it that does which can't be done just as well with robots and waldoes, for less money?

Oh, yeah. Medical research on the effects of spaceflight on humans. Which we need because... we've got a manned space program. That's what they call an incestuous application.
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Compromise is for suckers. Seeking a middle ground is what led to 9/11.
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Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
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New a paean to the private sector
Get those goldbricking bastards out of the way and let the space entrepreneurs step forward.

—Little Phil

One wonders whether "space entrepreneurs" would have found any economic incentive to undertake the various planetary probes of recent decades — the Mariners, Pioneers, Voyagers, Galileos — none of which yielded much in the way of practical data: I mean, who gives a flying fuck what the ass-end of Europa looks like, huh, Phil, know what I mean? Hell, even if the precursors of life existed there, we don't need 'em — they'd probably just oppose our imperial policies at every turn just like those other Europeans. But since marlowe has his finger on the popular pulse, I suppose it behooves us to listen.

Speaking of the popular pulse, Phil, any additional news about how a form letter composed by a senior officer and "signed" by some troops who never heard of it prior to publication (including at least one whose family in Olympia WA knew it was a put-up job because the sentiments expressed were exactly opposite those they were hearing in his letters and calls home — but of course, that grunt's only there, and lacks your loftier view of the front) represents the vox populi? No? Didn't think so. In MarloWorld — poof! — a contradiction ignored is a contradiction resolved.

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New All of which were unmanned...
and all of which sold lots of copies of Sky And Telescope magazine. There's your economic incentive. Consumers eat this space probe stuff up.

Of course, magazine prices may go up a bit.
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DEAL WITH IT.
Compromise is for suckers. Seeking a middle ground is what led to 9/11.
"I do not want to be admired by scumbags and liars and wife beaters. I want to be admired by good and decent, intelligent and just people, and in order to achieve this I need to do things that make me despised by their opposites." - Bill Whittle
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New And those space entrepreneurs are?


Peter
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New You want mankind to stay in it's nest ?
Manned spaceflight is a wasteful application?

I maintain that we have to get off this rock. For our continued existence as a civilisation (we do have all our eggs in one basket, after all).

Mind you, more private space programs would be a very good thing indeed - but this doesn't invalidate the need for governmental oversight and research. After all, an established presence above our gravity well grants enormous power, and carries great responsibility.

As I often say, the one that gets to the moon first, wins! If they stay there, that is. Mere orbital presence is only a stepping stone.

Think of the space as a beachhead for the rest of the solar system. Including Earth.


Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Blithering jerkface (new thread)
Created as new thread #121339 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=121339|Blithering jerkface]
-drl
     China enters space 9:10 am local time 15th Oct 2003 - (dmarker) - (9)
         Super! - (deSitter) - (8)
             Re: Super! - (dmarker) - (7)
                 Re: Super! - (deSitter)
                 Yeah, throw more money at the problem. - (marlowe) - (5)
                     a paean to the private sector - (rcareaga) - (1)
                         All of which were unmanned... - (marlowe)
                     And those space entrepreneurs are? -NT - (pwhysall)
                     You want mankind to stay in it's nest ? - (imric)
                     Blithering jerkface (new thread) - (deSitter)

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