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Fallujah, Iraq -- Five months after President Bush declared the end of "major combat" in Iraq, the war may indeed be over for most of the country.

But not for Sheikh Mishkhen al Jumaili. Last month, American troops killed nine of his relatives, including his son, in the span of just four days.

"They mean to kill as many Iraqis as possible," said al Jumaili, weeping silently as his younger relatives quietly lowered Beijiya's coffin into the parched yellow cemetery ground.

Bowing slightly over the red velvet cloth that draped the coffin of his cousin Beijiya, al Jumaili said a solemn prayer and wiped his eyes. Then he turned his back and stepped away, unable to watch yet another member of his extended family vanish under heavy chunks of dry clay.

That morning, al Jumaili, an elderly man clad in a long white dishdasha robe, had already buried Beijiya's daughter Amal and son-in-law Zamil, and their 1-year-old son, Heidar.

All were killed the night before, Sept. 26, driving toward Baghdad when American soldiers opened fire at Beijiya's car after it failed to stop at a temporary checkpoint that was preceded by no warning signs.

Two days earlier, he had buried two cousins, Abdul Nasir and Abdul Khadi, apparently caught in the cross fire when U.S. troops shot at suspected resistance fighters. Their bodies rested a few yards away from Beijiya's grave, in two identical tombs draped with Iraqi flags and marked with palm fronds.

The day before that, an early morning U.S. aerial attack on a farmhouse in the village of al Sajr, near Fallujah, killed al Jumaili's sleeping son, Ali, his nephew, Salem, and Salem's son, Saadi. Locals said American officials apologized for the attack, saying it was a mistake.

"Lately they killed too many al Jumaili in Fallujah," said al Jumaili. "All the tribes are suffering. This is murder."
[link|http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/06/MN310013.DTL|http://sfgate.com/cg...0/06/MN310013.DTL]

See, if Ali, Salem and Saadi had been killed by the Ba'athists, that would have been a wicked and unforgivable act. Since they were killed by the Forces of Light, and since we apologized handsomely, their survivors are being inexcusably churlish in nursing a grudge. Don't they understand that when we kill Iraqis we're killing them for their own good?

A prediction: we'll be seeing variations of this story next month...and next quarter...and next summer...and unless he's brained by a falling cornice Little Phil's lusty huzzahs for the occupation will not abate by a single decibal from now until then.

cordially,



Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Wrong, wrong, wrong
Marlowe said so. The Iraqis love us.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New That's right! Saddam's an Iraqi person, and he loves us!
Actually, I never said they all love us within the arbitrary borders of that nation state. I've always said the remnants of the ousted regime will resent our taking away their empire after they abused it. But their victims - the people they oppressed and butchered - I said would love us, and [link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/iraq.hateus.html|damn, I was right].

But I know how you love your straw men. I don't care, though, and I'm gonna keep setting them on fire.

You're a bitter, angry person, and you have no right to be. It's your own fault, entirely. You're bitter and in a snit because your team lost. But your team deserved to lose, and you need to face that fact. But you won't. So go shed a tear in your beer for those murdering assholes in Fallujah that we've sent to their just reward. (You never should have rooted for them in the first place. Why did you?)

Yeah, it's a clusterfuck. For them. And all their hooligan fans. And it's gonna keep coming. All the dark smelly orifices of the world will have their Saddams cut off and shoved up them now, one by one, because AMERICA IS FED UP with the lot of them. Some people get bitter and snitty. Other people get fed up. What's the difference? [link|http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/04/09/iraq_statue030409|This is the difference.]

Oh, and you too, rcaragea. The more you shed tears over the deaths of some of the worst people in the world - while omitting more than the merest token show of sympathy for [link|http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:1pKwKKeB67gJ:www.afhr.org/download/english.pdf&hl=en&ie=UTF-8|their innocent victims] the more you reveal the sordid depths of your black shrivelled heart.

And don't think I'm being ungenerous. I know a lot of people wouldn't give you intestinal parasites the time of day. But I'm taking the trouble to let you know the hour is getting late. Every twisted evil thing you embrace - for whatever dark reason - is doomed. These things all carried the seeds of their own destruction, and those seeds have germinated in the hearts of decent humans everywhere. But especially in the United States.
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DEAL WITH IT.
Compromise is for suckers. Seeking a middle ground is what led to 9/11.
"I do not want to be admired by scumbags and liars and wife beaters. I want to be admired by good and decent, intelligent and just people, and in order to achieve this I need to do things that make me despised by their opposites." - Bill Whittle
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New You're right, as always.
[link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3176742.stm|Feel the love].

Tell you what. If we agree with you, will you go away and concentrate on defending us from terror?


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New marlowe, messiah, meds and mickey
Unity and self-sacrifice, of themselves, even when fostered by the most noble means, produce a facility for hating. Even when men league themselves mightily together to promote tolerance and peace on earth, they are likely to be violently intolerant toward those not of a like mind.

— Eric Hoffer, The True Believer

Little Phil is on fire for the lord again, it seems, scourging the unrighteous not merely out of personal choler, but because he's engaged in a holy mission on behalf of decent, right-thinking people everywhere ("but especially in the United States"). This odd messianic note, almost always present as a low rumble in his diatribes, from time to time rises as a clarion call: if we charted the intervals, might we descry a pattern of pharmaceutical substances administered or withheld?

By contrast the binary thinking remarked upon here by Ashton and others, and meticulously limned by Eric Hoffer a couple of generations ago, is always quite explicitly present. On one side, in snow-white raiment from the points of their patent leather boots to the crowns of their Stetsons, are Little Phil, the pResident of the United States, loyal and patriotic American supporters of the invasion and occupation, and the oppressed peoples of the world yearning for their own piece of the Pax Americana. On the other, grimly garbed in black to match their shrivelled hearts, are most of iwethey, the pResident's political opposition, holders of American citizenship who presume to question the purity of the nation's intentions or the absolute justice of its cause, most of the population and the political leadership of western Europe, and sundry criminals, terrorists, drug addicts, child pornographers and others given to the indiscriminate embrace of "twisted evil things." Have I left anyone out? In MarloWorld there is no middle ground. To disparage, or even to withhold approval of American actions and policies (which are, being American, ipso facto righteous and just) is to render aid and comfort to the foe. There's Our Team and Their Team, and if you're not on Our Team, then Their Team must be Your Team.

Since this thread began with a news account of some collateral damage in Fallujah ("The day before that, an early morning U.S. aerial attack on a farmhouse in the village of al Sajr, near Fallujah, killed al Jumaili's sleeping son, Ali, his nephew, Salem, and Salem's son, Saadi. Locals said American officials apologized for the attack, saying it was a mistake."), Little Phil's response is rather telling:
So go shed a tear in your beer for those murdering assholes in Fallujah that we've sent to their just reward. (You never should have rooted for them in the first place. Why did you?)
It seems passing strange that American officials should have felt compelled to apologize for killing a couple of murdering assholes, for that is surely what they were: in a properly run MarloWorld, bombs mean never having to say you're sorry, and if we killed them they must've deserved it.
The most effective way to silence our guilty conscience is to convince ourselves and others that those we have sinned against are indeed depraved creatures, deserving every punishment, even extermination.

— Eric Hoffer, ibid

Of course, you may not have realized that you were rooting for the murdering assholes, whether or not cleverly disguised as sleeping noncombatants, any more than you understood that in opposing the US invasion you were extending a blanket unconditional endorsement of Saddam Hussein and all his works and aims, but — there you are: the laws of the marlovian moral cosmos admit of no middle ground. Our Little Phil understands black and white, whereas to speak of grey is to undermine the very pillars of MarloWorld:
Though they seem at opposite poles, fanatics of all kinds are actually crowded together at one end. It is the fanatic and the modeate who are poles apart and never meet. The fanatics of various hues eye each other with suspicion and are ready to fly at each other's throat. But they are neighbors and almost of one family. They hate each other with the hatred of brothers.

— Eric Hoffer, ibid

I am struck anew, rereading the post to which this one forms one response, at how unsuitable an online avatar Little Phil has chosen. Humphrey Bogart, whose visage he assumes, was politically left-of-center, and to read Raymond Chandler, who created the character of Philip Marlowe, is to enter a world infinitely more nuanced than that inhabited by our own LP. Some of us have chosen to appear here sans cloaks (of course, not all of us are, like marlowe the younger, in the front lines in the War on Terror, preparing vital Powerpoint presentations for use by the brave sales force of Amalgamated Bombdoor Servomotors [a Bermuda corporation] and hence at real physical risk should our secret identities become known to Al Qaeda), but few of the others have chosen so loaded and inapt an iconography for personal use. I might, for example, follow the lead of some of the other members here and abandon the handle I originally enlisted under, rejoining the group as...let's say, as popejohn_xxiii, with a nice thumbnail of late pontiff to accompany my subsequent posts. Would some not register a disconnect when popejohn_xxiii, in one of his peckish moods, savaged poor orion after one of the latter's more fatuous expressions of Christian belief? Just so, if Little Phil really feels as though a hardboiled private eye best suits him as an online persona, I should think that author Mickey Spillane's would be a more congenial mindset than Raymond Chandler's. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the new, improved and eminently more logical public identity for our man: Mike Hammer!

But marlowe, as we must, I suppose, persist in calling him, is not to be reasoned with. He is right; we are wrong; end of story. Hasn't he alluded to a period of youthful folly in which he held beliefs he now repudiates? That would be of a piece with the rest, and brings to mind one last bit of Hoffer, which has in the past struck me as nailing, utterly, the egregiously thuggish David Horowitz of the Then and of the Now:
The fanatic cannot be weaned away from his cause by an appeal to his reaon and his moral sense. He fears compromise and cannot be persuaded to qualify the certitude and righteousness of his holy cause. But he finds no difficulty in swinging suddenly and wildly from one holy cause to another. he cannot be convinced but only converted. His passionate attachment is more vital than the quality of the cause to which he is attached.

[edit: typo]

— Eric Hoffer, ibid

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Expand Edited by rcareaga Oct. 12, 2003, 01:04:42 PM EDT
New you pen little phil wrong
He represents the other Marlowe of Dickensien fame, Scrooge's partner. Head on a doorknob.
thanx,
bill
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New Re: you pen little phil wrong
Marley, Bill, that was Marley's ghost (played in 1951 by Michael Hordern, who was never to my knowledge mistaken for Bogart).

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New dang, more loose change in the belfry :-)
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New Oh, your envy is so cute. But you know...
if your own life is not only meaningless, but actually has a negative meaning, that's your own fault. Nobody ordered you to be so petty, and to put your own ego above logic, facts and decency.

You're wrong, but not because you don't know better. I know you know better because [link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/iraq.html|I took the trouble] to point out to you all the facts you pretend not to know. And yet still you feign ignorance. You're wrong because you choose to be wrong.

So stew in it.
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DEAL WITH IT.
Compromise is for suckers. Seeking a middle ground is what led to 9/11.
"I do not want to be admired by scumbags and liars and wife beaters. I want to be admired by good and decent, intelligent and just people, and in order to achieve this I need to do things that make me despised by their opposites." - Bill Whittle
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New premise envy
That Little Phil effortlessly eludes facts he finds disagreeable is old news. Perpetually refreshing, however, are the droll conclusions he draws--in this instance, that I yearn for his easy jingoism, his certitudes, his...his very marlitude. Have any of ye, my auditors, read envy into my posts?

bemusedly,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Envy - YOU?
"Compromise is for suckers" - Anonymous Coward

"American government is, fundamentally, about compromise." - Shelby Foote, revered historian

You make me shudder, because I know that my country is filled with mediocrities like you. You redefine the word unctuous. Encountering you is like stepping in dog shit with your bare feet.


-drl
New Zounds.. synchronicity
I was just about to - -

Having digested your spot-on excerpts from the esteemed Mr. Hoffer, recalled for myself a first encounter with this eminent ex-longshoreman of erudite kind, remembering the pure microtome-like keenness of his scimitar - wielded with the skill of a brain surgeon against the purveyors of cant. Seeing again his peeling away of each layer of vacuous and tedious abstraction Signifying Nothing except illness of internal kind... {sigh} a thing of Beauty, that small book.

Unavoidably, I envisioned the True Believer response to this [to Any!] - to even the most perfectly expressed disassembling of that odious and onerous mindset so desperately embraced. (Onerous for necessity of keeping available for rephrasing.. all those unfortunate blurtings-out of visceral hatred just beneath the surface of the maudlin Patriojaculations so trippingly oozed over all counter-views.)

Recalled little phil's pointed abandonment of every such thread - whenever a truly Embarrassing question on some new absurdity had hit the core of the affliction; then, like some perverted bastard-cross twixt the freshly-smoking Phoenix and a salamander:

Rises up elsewhere! with a new dose of trite homilies .. later .. as if that thread had never been. Ahhh the simple satisfiction which some derive from practised casuistry made more treacly for being cloaked in the thin veneer of an adequate vocabulary .. .. twisted once again down to My Gramma's wavelength (a short-wave; as befits its horizons).

See - -

I Expected next (at least 2/3 of *this* fershure!)
..if your own life is not only meaningless, but actually has a negative meaning, that's your own fault. Nobody ordered you to be so petty, and to put your own ego above logic, facts and decency.
How utterly spooky -- Worship again of the Fact-God as the massive egoist limns his congenital condition, assigns that blob to another {don't the psych folks call that projection?} - - that uttering the word shame! May it somehow become a .357 calibre hollow-point curse, even when uttered by the shameless! curse? nay re-cursiveness.

Then, for denouement - - follow with a full-psyche inventory and pronounce [every opponent] devoid of a Suitably Decent Life !! (And we may only surmise Who shall willingly next install for one, a New Life of suitable decency, circumspection and Righteousness.) Let us not parse further into this morass.

[Pity, Rand - that you missed the Fundamentalist Warz of a time back, wherein an ex-forumist {a One noted for Good Works against our temporal techno-Beast\ufffd} - performed a similar public reductio: of all who sailed in the dastardly charnel-ship of Evolution..]

Yes, We Were Warned that: Our Fate had been sealed before birth! and we Would NOT be brushing elbows with #1-Honcho and watching the hilarious funandgames of the Bad Guys boiling in oil while the Good Guys applauded at His elbow -
(after the Rapture Series had been called on account of darkness, natch & etc.)

Hubris .. Where is Thy Sting !?
At what level of hyperbolic critical mass leading to irreversible implosion.. is Cosmic Justice wreaked upon such pusillanimous popinjays .?. Language Murder is the crime. Who then shall execute the execrable?





Ahh.. and a deafening Cosmic Silence reminds of the actual remedy, after all has been said, done and undone.
New Not too hard to understand why Shrub is so desperate to get

other countries troops in there.

Stir up a hornets nest, build up a tidal wave of hatred then get some other suckers to step in to carry out 'installing the peace'.

Anyone who doesn't understand the history of Afghanistan probably believes the the US is loved by the majority of Iraqis and that soon the trouble makers doing all those awful suicide attacks & sniping will give up as ordinary Iraqis close ranks around their 'liberators'.

Fact is Iraq is vvery messy. I know, what we need isanother distraction. Lets get Syria :-) ------ just before the next elections :-)

Cheers Doug
New Spain is willing to supply new targets
They will fly in under the banner of St. Jacob of Compostella, whose nickname is Mata Moros ("killer of Moors"). Aznar doesn't see any possible problem with that.
New Matamoros, Mexico
may indicate the popularity of this blood feud in the heartsandminds.

Mark Twain, where are you when we need you? -Live!- especially in a nation of non-readers.


Ashton

Hola, Sven..
Yer baaack; will send anon -
     winning hearts and minds - (rcareaga) - (14)
         Wrong, wrong, wrong - (pwhysall) - (10)
             That's right! Saddam's an Iraqi person, and he loves us! - (marlowe) - (9)
                 You're right, as always. - (pwhysall)
                 marlowe, messiah, meds and mickey - (rcareaga) - (7)
                     you pen little phil wrong - (boxley) - (2)
                         Re: you pen little phil wrong - (rcareaga) - (1)
                             dang, more loose change in the belfry :-) -NT - (boxley)
                     Oh, your envy is so cute. But you know... - (marlowe) - (2)
                         premise envy - (rcareaga)
                         Envy - YOU? - (deSitter)
                     Zounds.. synchronicity - (Ashton)
         Not too hard to understand why Shrub is so desperate to get - (dmarker) - (2)
             Spain is willing to supply new targets - (scoenye) - (1)
                 Matamoros, Mexico - (Ashton)

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