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Josh Mehlman, acting editor, Business and Technology Magazine
\r\n[link|http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/os/story/0,2000048630,20279309,00.htm|A lesson in logic], 3 October 2003

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a post on the [link|http://luv.asn.au|luv.asn.au] mailing list about my last column referred to an article by well-known Linux fascist Andrew Grygus, whom the author referred to as "an extremely experienced IT consultant". The fact that Grygus is a veteran Windows basher and Linux\r\nfanatic is irrelevant, of course. The logic seems to be, if Grygus says it's so, then Mehlman must be wrong, QED--Grygus knows The Truth.\r\n

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In the article referred to, [link|http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit033.html|Microsoft Hides Behind Linux], Grygus claims "Many experts [such as himself, perhaps?] consider [Windows] too broken to fix, ever." He argues, for example, "If something goes wrong, Microsoft provides no way to back the patch out, you have to completely reinstall Windows."

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This is taken as gospel in the Linux community and is true, to an extent, in Windows 98 or NT 4.0. In Windows 2000 or later, there are facilities to go back, such as the System Restore function, and most patches can be uninstalled. To be fair, under some circumstances this doesn't work, but to claim it never works is--quite simply--a lie. Either Grygus hasn't used Windows in the\r\nlast five years, or he's willing to tell porkies in order to prove his point. Either way, deferring to his expertise as a consultant is a bit rich.

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(Emphasis added)

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What's particularly amusing in the highly ironic sense of the term is that Mehlman begins his essay with the sentence "Fundamentalists are people who can't tolerate the idea that there are legitimate points of view other than their own"...then demonstrates this himself. And closes an article mostly consisting of personal attacks against Grygus with a commentary on personal abuse: "since the journalist can't see The Truth about Linux, the journalist must be stupid, not know how to use a computer, not understand logic (ha!), and be slightly less popular than genital\r\nherpes."

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...this in an article which:

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  • Does little other than insult GNU/Linux users in general and Grygus\r\nspecifically.
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  • Seems mostly to take GNU/Linux users to fault for the very tactics that Microsoft shills used for years, particularly the bit about "technical arguments that are false, outdated or based on generalisations". Gee, never seen that before.
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  • Attacks the accusation that he's on the take from Microsoft...without ever actually answering the question (so, Josh, are you still accepting bribes from Microsoft while you beat your wife?)
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  • Accuses Grygus of lying about Microsoft capabilities and then in the very next sentence says Grygus's claims are true! The fact remains regarding updaterollbacks: there are kluges which allow limited state recovery, sometimes, in recent versions of legacy MS Windows. If they're activated. And if they work. But there is specific method for rolling back specific system updates or patches in the same way that any user of a Debian or RPM based system can back out or\r\ninstall any specific version of a package they choose. And we're not just talking about partial support for some "OS" files or one vendor's software, but 13,500+ software packages.
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  • The Andrew Grygus I know is no GNU/Linux bigot. He's an OS/2 bigot ;-)
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And this guy is an acting editor of a major publication? Hello?

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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
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New s/slandered/libelled/


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New Yes

By which I mean: both.

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New No
Slander is only the spoken word. Libel is that which is in print.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New A more telling mistake still
Look at his closing sentence:

As long as Linux proponents are so insecure that they constantly need to reinforce to themselves and everyone else that The Truth is out there, and starts with an L, Linux will lose the propaganda war.

(Emphasis mine.)

His assumption that this is a propaganda war says volumes about his motivations. It says rather little about the people he is trying to criticize.

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New I couldn't resist..
Plagiarized your "OS/2 bigot" quip in context (with anon attribution, of course).

Now if our Oz-contingent might lend some credence in excoriating this twit, via their Homies e-mail addys ...

{Sheesh} Character assassination where the folks walk upside down, even!


Ashton
New Gotta fess mate - this country is fulla air head journos

This guy seems pretty normal by Oz journo standards. They are a most arrogant bunch here.

Some of them truly believe that they run Australia & that we elect parlimentarians for the press to manipulate & control :-)

Cheers Doug

(Might take a peek a this man's web site - anyone who calls our Andy by those names qualifies as a typical airhead Oz IT journo (they never let lack of technical expertise get in the way of a good story)).


Actually, some may be aware that a few years back one of Australia's most prominent IT journos (Gareth Powell) was drummed, humiliatingly, out of the business & the country for plagiarizing other journalists work and also was proven to have been paid by Microsoft to have allowed them to publish lead articles written by their own people, under his name (back in mid-late 1990s).
MS admitted flying Powell to London to review Win95 for the Australian computer press!!!. Later there was even a newsgroup devoted to flaming this guy (aus.flame.gareth-powell).

New Letter Sent
Sir,
I have known Andrew Grygus for a number of years, well enough to know that he supports numerous Microsoft Installations, some Linux, SCO and OS2 systems. I myself have supported Unix, Wintel and in recent years Intel based Open Source Software and tend to agree with Mr Grygus. I find it interesting that any article which doesn't sufficiently toady Bill Gates and his products opens up a blast of personal invective. Rather than pointing out where Andrew is wrong, you agreed with one of his technical points then spewed invective for the rest of your piece. The last sentence displayed your bias by calling this a propaganda war. No. his article was about running a business like a business and choosing software based on a greater list of criteria than "lots of other folks buy Microsoft" Perhaps your lack of critical thinking skills is why you have the Acting in front of your Job Title.
thanx,
Bill Oxley
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New Yes, this is very cool.
I first receiving email about this article on Saturday. That this guy wasted three whole paragraphs of his article space attacking me says that my message is getting through, and it's hitting where it hurts.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Kudos dude!
-drl
New Just wait til the mayor tries to ban your play
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
     Grygus slandered by ZDNet AU - (kmself) - (10)
         s/slandered/libelled/ -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
             Yes - (kmself) - (1)
                 No - (pwhysall)
         A more telling mistake still - (ben_tilly)
         I couldn't resist.. - (Ashton) - (1)
             Gotta fess mate - this country is fulla air head journos - (dmarker)
         Letter Sent - (boxley)
         Yes, this is very cool. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
             Kudos dude! -NT - (deSitter)
             Just wait til the mayor tries to ban your play -NT - (drewk)

There ARE supposed to be two as-es there!
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