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Post #118,650 by boxley 9/23/03 10:28:23 PM Reply	Dunno I got dropped into application support 2.5 months ago. It is websphere iplanet corba mq C++ and scripts gluing it all together. I know a little C++ and scripts. I currently run a team of 10 looking to me for answers, directing traffic for customers, setting up test plans etc. No training, no courses and I am at the speed of those who have worked the system for 6+ months intensely, and only 2 knowledge experts in house do I need on occation. Of the 10, guys, 6 are off shore guys 4 americans. Of the 4 Americans 2 are adequate 2 are going to catch up with me in weeks. Of the offshore guys I have a star,2 goods and the rest barely adequate. Training and schooling are only going to teach you how to learn. The rest is up to you. Either you have the ability to think yur way thru the language, problem application or you dont and all the training in the world will not help you. A real star I know would get a new gig with a new language on Friday, pickup all the books needed and be ready to be productive on Monday. It is as much art as science. Everyone in this biz has a niche that they can excell in and understand where they will never be more than barely adequate. If I needed a table guy tablizer might be a good choice. If I needed a driver developer I would not call him. thanx, bill "You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #118,713 by orion 9/24/03 1:44:45 PM 9/24/03 2:05:45 PM Reply	Having a natural gift something that you say cannot be learned, you either have it or you don't. Why would H1B Visa Workers have it more than Natural Citizens and Greencard holders? I would think that the distribution of such gifts would be the same. Or could it be that H1b Visa Workers who have the gift are willing to work for less pay? Hence a US Citizen or Greencard holder who wants a larger salary, may be seen as "Overqualified" or rejected for some other reason? I've worked with people who have the gift, I think I had it myself once until I got too sick to work. Edit: Not that I am against H1B Visa workers, I just think that there should be reasonable limits. It should go back to pre-1997 levels in my opinion. If not, then we are taking too many "Talented" workers out of the other country's jobpool. Case in point of India, who complained of losing billions because a lot of the people they trained and who have talent have move out of the country to work in the US. India needs talented people too. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"* Edited by orion Sept. 24, 2003, 02:05:45 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #118,818 by gdaustin 9/25/03 10:57:14 AM Reply	India is getting them back... I guess the problem I have with this is that U.S. Megacorps want to have it all ways. When the U.S. economy was humming, they wanted hundreds of thousands of "qualified" IT workers in the country "now". And they wanted them willing to compete with Americans, and work for less. Now that they've learned our jobs and the Internet has become ubiquitous, these same Megacorps want to send these guys home (and recruit even more of them), where the cost of living and standard of living are 1/5 of what it is here. It's a friggin' race to the bottom. How can we get the cheapest X? No concern for people or lives or families. Our economy is faltering because our formerly white-collar high-paying jobs are being exported en-masse to other countries, to people (who may or may not know what they're doing) who will work for 1/5 of what we do, work any hours, and pretend to be happy about it. Durable goods sales were down 2.2% this month? Why? Noone wants to buy a car, home, fridge, or any big ticket item unless they're SURE they're going to have the job to pay off the debt, or that their job is safe enough to buy that stuff out of savings. It would not surprise me if banks raise interest rates for most loans soon, on the premise that Americans, in general, are now "bad credit risks", because of the general economy, and the probability of one losing his/her job in the next 3 years. Glen
Post #118,865 by ben_tilly 9/25/03 2:19:42 PM Reply	You should read "Wealth and Democracy" by Kevin Phillips "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #118,872 by orion 9/25/03 2:37:08 PM Reply	Re: You should read "Wealth and Democracy" by Kevin Phillips Website here: [link\|http://www.wealthanddemocracy.com/\|http://www.wealthanddemocracy.com/] For more info, and excerpts from the book. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*

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