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Post #118,564 by inthane-chan 9/23/03 10:54:26 AM Reply	Translation: "It's not enough that we're fucking you overseas by sending your jobs there - we still want to make you compete with that same slave labor in your own job market." In that final hour, when each breath is a struggle to take, and you are looking back over your life's accomplishments, which memories would you treasure? The empires you built, or the joy you spread to others? Therin lies the true measure of a man.
Post #118,566 by folkert 9/23/03 10:56:20 AM Reply	Just like WE have to now! -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [insert witty saying here]
Post #118,614 by pwhysall 9/23/03 4:25:34 PM Reply	Welcome to the global market. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #118,947 by deSitter 9/26/03 2:58:50 AM Reply	Re: Welcome to the global market. The Phillipines are being drained of "talented" nurses - overheard today in the hospital while on elevator, about the "new group" of them being unable to understand English well enough to fit in. This is talent? No, it's slave labor. The nursing shortage is as big a lie as the developer/engineer shortage. Nurses are carrying twice the patient burden they once did. Megacorp hospital constellations and amoral insurance companies are responsible. Globalization is the ultimate crock. Capitalism is dead. The real question is - when did business become about stupid pointless profit margins alone, without any context for the thing being sold? That is what leads to job loss - getting one person to do the work of two, for half as much as one. -drl
Post #118,973 by pwhysall 9/26/03 7:35:05 AM Reply	Werd. In answer to your final point - it appears that the western world now has fully entered the religion of the Almighty Buck, first commandment "Thou shalt have no master before me." I'm guessing that we've been sliding into this since about 1945, to pick a completely random date. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #119,006 by orion 9/26/03 10:12:03 AM Reply	You mean Weird yes it has been an evolution of businesses to worship the Almighty Dollar and only care about Profit Margins. Since 1945, or whenever, it has kept getting worse. Also Accountability in Management is almost non-existant, Managers make the same mistakes over and over again and lay off the people under them for those mistakes. Hardly anyone lays off the Upper Management, and even if they do, they got that Golden Parachute payoff. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #119,016 by jb4 9/26/03 10:27:37 AM Reply	In this vein...a question for Peter Peter- Isn't there some kind of a law in the UK that states that if you fuck up a company, you cannot run another for like 5 years or something? I seem to recall an oblique reference to such a thing in a couple of Register articles, but they assumed that the (UK) reader knew what they were talking about, so they didn't explain any further. Can you elucidate? jb4 Boy I'd like to see those words on a PR banner behind [Treasury Secretary John] Snow at the podium: Jobs and Growth: Just Wait. John J. Andrew, unemployed programmer; see jobforjohn.com
Post #119,003 by orion 9/26/03 10:08:14 AM Reply	H1B Nurses My wife is a LPN, they talked about H1B Visa Nurses in her Nursing Magazine. They claim there is a shortage of Nurses and they must hire them. But the H1B Visa Nurses are taking jobs away from Local Nurses for a lower pay. Nurses are overworked, not just doing the job of two people, but three or four. They are given too many people to care for, and as a result cannot get to them as fast as they can. Ring the bell, and you'll have to wait 5 to 15 minutes or more for a Nurse because she/he has about 12 to 20 other people to take care of. Sometimes they have an Orderly or Patient Specialist help out, but they aren't trained in Medicine to remove/change IVs, give shots, or any of the other stuff a Nurse can do. It is really hard for a patient to get care from a nurse who doesn't understand what the patient is saying. Also hard to give the nurse orders when they don't understand enough English to complete the task. Sometimes they just ignore the patient because they didn't understand what the patient said or what the doctors orders said. When that happens, mistakes are made. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #119,051 by deSitter 9/26/03 11:42:51 AM Reply	H1B Reporters Lou Dobbs was interviewing Congresssissy Adam Smith (from M$ district in WA) and brought up the H1B issue. When Smith launched into the usual drivel about H1B, Dobbs got visibly pissed off - a stretch for him as an almost unnaturally calm person - and pointed out that CNN had H1B reporters running around! Smith basically mouthed the same drivel I've heard from Gephardt in responses to 2 letters spaced over 2 years. Comment from the other side: [link\|http://indianewsweek.com/0307021/article14.htm\|http://indianewsweek...021/article14.htm] [link\|http://sulekha.com/petitions/petition.asp?cid=34\|http://sulekha.com/p...tition.asp?cid=34] This is blatantly untrue. H1-B and L1 Visas have powered the stupendous growth in the American high-tech sector in particular. The H1-B Visa provided skilled professionals that powered the Information Revolution led by America. American economy was slumping in the late-80's and early 90's due to the Japanese Manufacturing prowess. The Information Revolution that powered America's growth and its leadership status was enabled to a large extent by H1-B professionals -- irrespective of whether they had a part in the Silicon Valley startups or established organizations like Microsoft and NASA. America should not abolish the H1-B Visa law that helped mitigate crucial skill shortages. Even today, India graduates several times more Computer Science professionals than America. Several of them work far harder than their American colleagues -- given the fact that they are immigrants in an alien country wanting to prove themselves. Yeah right. How many Indian flags are planted on the Moon? -drl
Post #119,055 by hnick 9/26/03 12:08:03 PM Reply	Love this line... "Even today, India graduates several times more Computer Science professionals than America. Several of them work far harder than their American colleagues" Possibly as many as a dozen, ya think?
Post #119,074 by jb4 9/26/03 1:03:05 PM Reply	caught that, too................ROFL! jb4 Boy I'd like to see those words on a PR banner behind [Treasury Secretary John] Snow at the podium: Jobs and Growth: Just Wait. John J. Andrew, unemployed programmer; see jobforjohn.com
Post #119,132 by deSitter 9/26/03 7:32:01 PM Reply	Re: Love this line... I am amazed at the lack of comments on the unmitigated gall of this petition. -drl
Post #119,169 by hnick 9/27/03 8:17:11 AM Reply	Since when is unmitigated gall suprising anymore? I would be rather astonished if there were not such petitions around. They have a fucking lobby to buy a chunk or our congress creatures. Why wouldn't they push it as far as it will go. No point in going quietly, you know
Post #119,024 by inthane-chan 9/26/03 11:02:12 AM Reply	Yeah, I'm aware of this. Hell, I'm aware that I'm damned lucky to live here, and have a job that pays decently. That doesn't mean I'm going to pucker up and kow-tow to the motherfuckers who are screwing me - that's the reason they can get away with that shit. I'll stop bitching about it when the H1B program gets extended to CIEIOs. In that final hour, when each breath is a struggle to take, and you are looking back over your life's accomplishments, which memories would you treasure? The empires you built, or the joy you spread to others? Therin lies the true measure of a man.

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