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I don't know how your system works. It's your system. Read the manual, ask the right questions, or get something that works.

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In my case, I toss the odd spam that rolls through into a folder "spam-learn". Four times a day, I've got a cronjob that rolls through that folder with "sa-learn --spam --dir", updating my Bayesian rules.

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If I start getting any significant number of false positives, I'll create an analagous "ham-learn" folder and cronjob.

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The result is: I have good filtering which gets better as the odd bit of spam spills through and is added to my rulebase. Yes, I seeded this with an initial thousand or so messages of spam and ham. But if you don't have this sort of base, you can kick things off without it.

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The point is this: you, yes, you Norm, not the rest of us, are going to have to figure out where the fuck you feed your false positives and false negatives within your system. Most likely there's a mailbox or aaddress you send this mail to. If your system doesn't provide for this, make sure you aren't fucking up and misunderstanding its functionality, then find something that works. And yes, this means you don't just delete spam -- you feed it to your system for training.

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Of course, I'm making painfully clear that self-hosted SA on a box you control with real services, rather than that Microsoft crap you insist on using, is a system that works. If you can handle it.

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Of course, if you can't, that's your problem.

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New I found out how to do it
Yes I am using Outlook 2000, haven't switched to something else yet. I have all my contacts and calandar there and it integrates with my Timex Datalink watch. I have Norton AntiVirus 2003 scanning the email, I'm soon to upgrade to NAV 2004 and Norton Personal Firewall 2004 when it comes out Oct 1st.

From the SA mailing list, someone was kind enough to send me this URL:
[link|http://spambayes.sourceforge.net//windows.html|http://spambayes.sou...net//windows.html]

It will help feed Spam and Ham from Outlook 2000.

I have security turned on in Outlook 2000 to prevent ActiveX controls, VBScript, and other things, plus NAV 2003 has a script blocker. I never open attachments unless I am expecting one and know in advance and scanned it first before opening it.

I currently am saving the Spam that slips through. It is starting to get fewer and fewer now.



"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New Yeah, right
Norm wrote:

Yes I am using Outlook 2000....

Welcome to the Security Forum. Guess what your first step is?

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com


If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
New ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #118039 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=118039|ICLRPD]
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New {chortlissimo!}___Sharper than a serpent's tooth.. be thine
Golden Epitaph with DU shielding.. for verily I say unto thee - thine alabaster cities gleam for the countless entrails glistening in the sun.. of those who failed to LookOut.

Two Ears, a Tail and the plucked-out pineal glands of 12 entrepreneurs!
New First step is to get rid of Outlook 2000 and use something
else. A little harder to break the Outlook habit than I thought it would be.

I almost switched to Mozilla Mail, but I need something that can synch with my Timex Datalink watch for contacts and calendar info. Massive PST conversion to Mozilla Mail almost broke the converter. I think I have like 26Megs of old mail. So I keep putting it off. Things keep on happening that takes up my time from doing some things. But isn't that just the way life is?



"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New Datalink watch and Linux
[link|http://datalink.fries.net/|http://datalink.fries.net/]

Didn't read much, but there is stuff out there integrating the Datalink watch with Linux.

What's your next excuse?
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Steve
New Re: Datalink watch and Linux
What's your next excuse?
Linux, presumably.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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New Not Linux
I returned the 160Gig drive because of partition problems with it. I am waiting to buy new parts so I can turn my old system into a Linux system and the new one into Windows XP Pro. I have had nothing but problems trying to get a workable system to run Linux, old systems that seem to have hardware issues or something that stops Linux from loading/installing. I'm back to my older smaller hard drive that only can support Windows 98SE.

I had such major problems that I am about ready to throw all my systems into a recycle center and give up on computers. I am not going to do that even if I feel that way sometimes. I've spent a lot of time trying to get Linux workable, I've spent a lot of time testing and working with the hardware issues. I've given up until I can afford new hardware unless one of you geniuses knows how to make Linux install on bad hardware or hardware that isn't Linux friendly?



"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New Want some cheese with that?


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New Help with Linux problems concerning particular hardware
Norm wrote:

I've given up until I can afford new hardware unless one of you geniuses knows how to make Linux install on bad hardware or hardware that isn't Linux friendly?

1. The question is unfortunately not answerable as posed, for lack of specificity. Help is available (in the Linux Forum, preferably, not the Security Forum), but you have to [link|http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html|specify] what components you're talking about, and the symptoms you encountered when you tried particular things, detailed in an orderly fashion.

2. If the term "isn't Linux friendly" means MS-Windows-dependent, e.g., modems, printers, USB ADSL bridges, and IDE RAID cards with deliberately omitted circuitry that must then be emulated via proprietary "engine" software hidden inside Windows-only drivers, the answer is that you can't do it, and should cease acquiring such equipment. On the other hand, if it means otherwise acceptable hardware for which Linux kernel, XFree86, or SANE back-end support seems rare, the answer is to either get a very recent Linux distribution release, or be prepared to do driver upgrades after initial installation. On the gripping hand, if it means hardware that requires that you furnish Linux with detailed information about it at installation time (e.g., the very oldest and cheapest ISA ethernet and SCSI cards that lacked option ROMs), then you need to simply go to that additional effort as part of the price you pay for using antique, underdesigned hardware.

3. Don't try to install Linux or any other OS on bad (defective) hardware. Cut it up into small pieces and throw it away.

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com


If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
     Working towards a better Spam filter - (orion) - (23)
         Re: Working towards a better Spam filter - (pwhysall)
         Spamassassin filters, content-based filtering costs - (kmself) - (21)
             I tried SAProxy - (orion) - (20)
                 RTFM, TTFBF, TAFDP, DBADF - (kmself) - (19)
                     IRTFM - (orion) - (18)
                         Spam, spam, spam, spam - (rickmoen) - (1)
                             Re: Spam, spam, spam, spam - (orion)
                         Bayesian still useful w/out 1000s to start with - (SpiceWare) - (4)
                             Thanks - (orion) - (3)
                                 don't do that - (SpiceWare) - (2)
                                     By using sa-learn? - (orion) - (1)
                                         Using MBX formats - (orion)
                         Care and feeding - (kmself) - (10)
                             I found out how to do it - (orion) - (9)
                                 Yeah, right - (rickmoen) - (3)
                                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk)
                                     {chortlissimo!}___Sharper than a serpent's tooth.. be thine - (Ashton)
                                     First step is to get rid of Outlook 2000 and use something - (orion)
                                 Datalink watch and Linux - (Steve Lowe) - (4)
                                     Re: Datalink watch and Linux - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                         Not Linux - (orion) - (2)
                                             Want some cheese with that? -NT - (pwhysall)
                                             Help with Linux problems concerning particular hardware - (rickmoen)

My own limited experience with his work has struck me as being despondent in tone. I get that, but if I wanted to be hopeless and depressed about the state of the world I would just listen to the voices in my head.
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