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Post #116,572

by tuberculosis

9/4/03 11:30:59 AM

I have a 1GHz laptop

My first computer was an 8MHz Mac II.

Tell me the cost of calling a function still matters 99.99999999999999999% of the time.

If it does - you can still usually make it *look* like a function with a macro or something.

Scott's SQL example is a degenrative case. Realtime systems in tiny machines might be another one.

A good quote I've seen is "The number of programmers who think their software has high performance requirements is at least two orders of magnitude greater than the number of programmers that actually have high performance requirements".

Call the freakin function - if the system runs too slowly, profile and inline appropriately.

Smalltalk is dangerous. It is a drug. My advice to you would be don't try it; it could ruin your life. Once you take the time to learn it (to REALLY learn it) you will see that there is nothing out there (yet) to touch it. Of course, like all drugs, how dangerous it is depends on your character. It may be that once you've got to this stage you'll find it difficult (if not impossible) to "go back" to other languages and, if you are forced to, you might become an embittered character constantly muttering ascerbic comments under your breath. Who knows, you may even have to quit the software industry altogether because nothing else lives up to your new expectations.
--AndyBower

Post #116,611

by Arkadiy

9/4/03 3:49:58 PM

Or better yet

The number of programmers who think that they have achieved high performance by scrificing readabilty is two orders of magnitude higher than the number of programmers who actually achieved high performance

I had a piece of code with 3 functions, each with 3000-5000 lines. Turned out, it was dog slow. When rewritten with proper modularization and data structures, it became order of magnitude faster, function calls or not.

--

Less Is More. In my book, About Face, I introduce over 50 powerful design axioms. This is one of them.

--Alan Cooper. The Inmates Are Running the Asylum

Question about programming with functions. - (static) - (47) - Sept. 4, 2003, 07:17:27 AM EDT

Code that's called once... - (admin) - (21) - Sept. 4, 2003, 07:43:01 AM EDT

What he said, with more detail - (drewk) - (20) - Sept. 4, 2003, 09:31:15 AM EDT

Re: What he said, with more detail - (deSitter) - (2) - Sept. 4, 2003, 09:53:20 AM EDT

Uhh, HTML *is* structured - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 4, 2003, 10:04:59 AM EDT

HTML not a page definition language - (deSitter) - Sept. 4, 2003, 10:15:29 AM EDT

What he said, and what he before him said ... - (JimWeirich) - (15) - Sept. 4, 2003, 10:14:02 AM EDT

Someone confirm/deny what I was told - (drewk) - (13) - Sept. 4, 2003, 11:07:16 AM EDT

Depends on the language - (admin) - (7) - Sept. 4, 2003, 11:10:36 AM EDT

Re: Depends on the language - (deSitter) - (2) - Sept. 4, 2003, 11:17:50 AM EDT

Sounds more like FORTRAN - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Sept. 4, 2003, 11:21:45 AM EDT

Yes, very FORTRANish - (admin) - Sept. 4, 2003, 11:29:09 AM EDT

Different reason for that, I believe - (drewk) - (3) - Sept. 4, 2003, 12:05:31 PM EDT

We did testing... - (admin) - (2) - Sept. 4, 2003, 01:28:51 PM EDT

D'oh! - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 4, 2003, 02:42:49 PM EDT

ROFL. -NT - (admin) - Sept. 4, 2003, 02:49:28 PM EDT

I have a 1GHz laptop - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Sept. 4, 2003, 11:30:59 AM EDT

Or better yet - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 4, 2003, 03:49:58 PM EDT

Re: Someone confirm/deny what I was told - (JimWeirich) - (1) - Sept. 4, 2003, 12:41:13 PM EDT

Yeah that guy gets around! - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 4, 2003, 04:12:07 PM EDT

Puh-LEEEEZE! - (jb4) - Sept. 23, 2003, 02:36:42 PM EDT

How big a block? - (static) - Sept. 4, 2003, 09:56:40 PM EDT

Pascal has one up on PHP - (tablizer) - Sept. 13, 2003, 01:01:32 PM EDT

Re: inline PHP code and HTML - (tuberculosis) - (18) - Sept. 4, 2003, 11:19:45 AM EDT

Copy and Paste vs Functions. - (static) - (17) - Sept. 4, 2003, 09:49:32 PM EDT

Nothing wrong with 12 4-5 line functions - (admin) - Sept. 4, 2003, 10:14:18 PM EDT

Typical size of a method in Smalltalk is probably 4-5 lines - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Sept. 4, 2003, 11:47:55 PM EDT

Um. Yabut. - (FuManChu) - (14) - Sept. 5, 2003, 02:46:46 AM EDT

I was wondering how to say that. :-) - (static) - (13) - Sept. 5, 2003, 10:57:35 PM EDT

I'm going for fairly strict layout/form/content separation - (FuManChu) - Sept. 6, 2003, 12:22:53 AM EDT

Do I smell another "OO is better abstraction" war brewing? - (tablizer) - (11) - Sept. 13, 2003, 01:14:42 PM EDT

That is a fault of history OF the current language. - (FuManChu) - (4) - Sept. 13, 2003, 02:17:15 PM EDT

So you reject a language because - (tablizer) - (3) - Sept. 14, 2003, 01:49:36 AM EDT

Not at all. - (FuManChu) - (2) - Sept. 14, 2003, 04:37:02 PM EDT

not very nice wording, if you ask me - (tablizer) - (1) - Sept. 19, 2003, 02:04:09 AM EDT

Then you might have guessed I wasn't trying to be diplomatic -NT - (FuManChu) - Sept. 19, 2003, 02:42:37 AM EDT

Not unless you're spoiling for a fight. -NT - (static) - (1) - Sept. 15, 2003, 07:49:09 AM EDT

No, fighting the spOOilings -NT - (tablizer) - Sept. 19, 2003, 02:07:43 AM EDT

Hey Bryce... - (ChrisR) - (3) - Sept. 15, 2003, 02:52:16 PM EDT

Perhaps - (tablizer) - (2) - Sept. 19, 2003, 01:42:59 AM EDT

I've read way too many Oracle books lately - (ChrisR) - (1) - Sept. 19, 2003, 10:44:14 AM EDT

thanks for the quote -NT - (tablizer) - Sept. 20, 2003, 12:38:50 AM EDT

Re: Question about programming with functions. - (JayMehaffey) - Sept. 4, 2003, 02:24:13 PM EDT

Code as a Communications Tool - (gdaustin) - Sept. 4, 2003, 02:33:16 PM EDT

Code for readability - (broomberg) - (3) - Sept. 5, 2003, 10:24:10 PM EDT

Profiling and optimizing. - (static) - (2) - Sept. 5, 2003, 10:51:02 PM EDT

Difficult to optimize the algorithm after the fact - (broomberg) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2003, 11:42:37 AM EDT

Yes, I know. - (static) - Sept. 7, 2003, 02:46:59 AM EDT

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