Post #115,913
8/29/03 9:31:04 PM
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I'll pass
This is just morbid.
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Post #115,914
8/29/03 9:34:08 PM
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Re: I'll pass
Well, I understand that reading about things in that much detail isn't for everyone, but I still thank you so much for showing me how I can finally read the New York Times. :)
Thanks Silverlock. :)
Nightowl >8#
"I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"
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Post #115,921
8/29/03 10:36:15 PM
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I don't think you understand at all
Try looking up the word 'morbid'. "Reading about such things in much detail" my ass. This is like those "Faces of Death" videos. No better, no worse. I won't watch 'em. I won't willingly read/hear these last moments either.
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Post #115,935
8/30/03 12:43:16 AM
8/30/03 12:55:13 AM
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Re: I don't think you understand at all
Try looking up the word 'morbid'. "Reading about such things in much detail" my ass. This is like those "Faces of Death" videos. No better, no worse. I won't watch 'em. I won't willingly read/hear these last moments either. I know what morbid means, honest. I wouldn't watch the faces of death videos though, they had no historical significance. I only care about things in the historical sense, I explain it later in response to Boxley's post. I don't expect you to understand, only fellow historians and researchers can. I still am grateful to you for telling me how to read the NYT because I have wanted for years to be able to access it. So my thanks there are sincere. Edit: And the other thing you don't really realize, is what was so great that I read in the NYT was not the actual transcripts anyway. It was a wonderful article entitled "Fresh Glimpse in 9/11 files of the struggles for survival", that told the story of two very heroic men and how they saved over 40 people, (I believe it was 40) and that was telling the story of heroes, at least for me. And let there be no doubt, that I have nothing but the utmost respect for every person involved in that disaster, both those that survived and those that did not. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"
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Edited by Nightowl
Aug. 30, 2003, 12:55:13 AM EDT
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Post #115,915
8/29/03 10:02:51 PM
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Ditto.
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Post #115,916
8/29/03 10:07:00 PM
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Pass also, while the transcripts might be of interest
to historians and researchers trying to determine how the buildings fell to see what if anything can be done to strengthen the structures, It will inevitabily be used by some ratbag rag head tee-heeing over his buns at an eastern tea party some where for rude entertainment. Keep limited access like birth, death records.
thanx,
Bill
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Post #115,932
8/30/03 12:39:41 AM
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Re: Pass also, while the transcripts might be of interest
to historians and researchers trying to determine how the buildings fell to see what if anything can be done to strengthen the structures, It will inevitabily be used by some ratbag rag head tee-heeing over his buns at an eastern tea party some where for rude entertainment. Keep limited access like birth, death records. You hit the nail on the head, Boxley. I'm a historical researcher, or at least that was my goal when I was trying for a degree. I'm very very interested in how things fell, and how things happened, in a technical and historical context. I don't expect anyone to understand it, but it's the same reason I studied the concentration camps in WWII in intense detail as well. I don't disagree it's morbid, but to a person intensely interested in history, it's much more than that. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"
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Post #116,090
8/31/03 11:40:27 AM
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Re: Pass also, while the transcripts might be of interest
It seems unfortunate that only historians (and those interested in history) are able to recognize the valuable lessons that can be learned and taught from the WTC transcripts. Beyond the obvious fears and desperations of those who made frantic calls to authorities and/or loved ones, the tapes, that several have referred to as "morbid" or "ghoulish," offer tangible proof of heroism.
It's pathetic that our society is more than willing to receive and "glorify" the voices of terrorists (i.e., our continued fascination with tapes and documents generated by Usama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein) but refuses to humanize or honor the victims of terrorism.
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Post #116,100
8/31/03 3:05:05 PM
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Re: Pass also, while the transcripts might be of interest
Some of the officers could not bring themselves to write of their experiences, 2 years later.
One story that emerged from the transcripts needed to be told - the PA employees who needlessly waited on the 64th floor of WTC 1, only joining the evacuation when it was too late to exit the building.
Giuliani said it best - we NEED to relive this tragedy periodically, to motivate us to prevent it from happening again.
-drl
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Post #116,111
8/31/03 5:46:08 PM
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Its pathetic that you ascribe motives
best belonging to the strap on a bomb mentality and do not think of others. Let the historians/folklorists review and publish their findings, that I will gladly read. Having stood at the site, any reading of the raw data would only fuel a rage that is best left banked at the moment.
thanx,
bill
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Post #116,123
8/31/03 6:45:38 PM
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History is intrinsically morbid
Most of the participants are dead, and many of the interesting stories deal with how they got that way. --\r\n
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Post #116,161
9/1/03 1:54:12 AM
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Re: History is intrinsically morbid
Most of the participants are dead, and many of the interesting stories deal with how they got that way.
Very good observation, Karsten. :) And so true. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"
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Post #116,165
9/1/03 3:09:06 AM
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No problem with predators I cannot reach
I enjoy reading about such. Have spent a large part of my life engaging in such research but someone I could gladly reach out and personally make them into a good muslim? I have to remember I have children and a wife to support or I would be tracking THAT particular piece of trash to his last resting ground. It is hard to sit and do nothing when given the will (which I have) but not the means to go hunting. Perhaps a win at the lottery and a change in my domestic situation and I would be where the action is.
"Mr osama sir"
"pardon moi"
votre liberte con expire, command evous"
non.
permise,
bang!!!!
I actually think he is in yemen, saudi arabia or las vegas depending on how much cash he has.
thanx.
bill
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Post #116,178
9/1/03 5:30:18 AM
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Will gladly sidekick
-drl
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Post #115,919
8/29/03 10:17:05 PM
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Me too..
but the word I would have used would be 'ghoulish'.
A matter of personal taste, I suppose.
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Post #115,931
8/30/03 12:35:41 AM
8/30/03 12:41:10 AM
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I won't
I won't pass - I'll suffer with them, I'll bleed until I die from the spirit, as they bled from the body.
-drl
Edited by deSitter
Aug. 30, 2003, 12:41:10 AM EDT
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Post #115,934
8/30/03 12:40:36 AM
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Re: I'll pass
I won't pass - I'll suffer with them, I'll bleed until I die from the spirit, as they bled from the body. Wow.... I couldn't have said that better. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"
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