Post #115,319
8/25/03 4:05:25 PM
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SCO, caught in a lie.
[link|http://www-tech.mit.edu/V123/N33/33sco.33n.html|MIT Experts No Longer At MIT]. The SCO Group of Utah has had to backtrack after saying that MIT mathematicians verified its claims that Linux, the center of the popular and freely-available GNU/Linux operating system, is an illegal knock-off. o o o \ufffdThey said they hired three separate independent teams of experts to analyze their code, including one from MIT, and that the findings appear to corroborate the fact that the code had been taken from Unix and put into Linux,\ufffd said Laura DiDio, a senior analyst at The Yankee Group in Boston.
\ufffdIt was kind of weird, because they told me they had hired a team at MIT,\ufffd said Robert McMillan, a correspondent for the IDG News Service. \ufffdAnd then they kind of backpedaled.\ufffd
SCO Senior Vice President \ufffdChris Sontag told me that [they] had a group of mathemeticians \ufffdwho were at MIT\ufffd working on this,\ufffd McMillan wrote in an e-mail after checking his notes. \ufffdIn subsequent interviews SCO said that these guys had been at MIT and were no longer there.\ufffd
Paul Hatch, a SCO spokesman, wrote in a statement to The Tech, \ufffdTo clarify, the individuals reviewing the code had been involved with MIT labs in the past, but are not currently at MIT. Unfortunately, due to contractual obligations, we cannot specifically name the individuals.\ufffd
Later, SCO\ufffds director of corporate communications, Blake Stowell, confirmed that \ufffdat least one of the groups was a link to MIT\ufffd but did not respond to a request to make the experts available for interview.
Informal inquiries with the mathematics department did not find anyone who said they knew of a colleague working to verify SCO\ufffds assertions. Lying motherFUDers!
Alex
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
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Post #115,322
8/25/03 4:27:18 PM
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We have top men working on it right now
Who?
Top ... Men ...
-- Chris Altmann
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Post #115,343
8/25/03 7:25:31 PM
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*grin*
-drl
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Post #116,276
9/1/03 10:09:26 PM
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Excuse me?
Mathematicians?
Sure math is a requirement for programming, but does a mathematics degree mean they are expert programmers?
It says nothing about their ability to decide the origin of the common code or whether SCO owned the rights at that point or not (most likely not) since most mathematicians don't take law as part of their curriculum.
It just makes it less credable that they aren't currently at MIT.
~~~)-Steven----
"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."
General George S. Patton
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Post #116,278
9/1/03 10:15:00 PM
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You've just put your finger on the reason . . .
. . for mathematicians. They can find matches in the code but haven't the slightest idea what they're looking at. This meets SCO's requirements perfectly.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #116,362
9/2/03 2:46:22 PM
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Ben Tilly would object to that characterization! :)
Alex
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
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Post #116,377
9/2/03 5:36:34 PM
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But they didn't hire him, did they?
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #118,293
9/19/03 10:36:36 PM
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Why?
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #118,307
9/20/03 3:30:42 AM
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Re: Why?
Erm... I guess the Gryg is either saying you're a SCO, or a mathematician.
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Post #118,326
9/20/03 11:31:56 AM
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Re: Why?
Because he says mathematicians "haven't the slightest idea what they're looking at". Surely you would know what you're looking at!
Good to see you pop up here again!
Alex
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
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Post #118,332
9/20/03 1:27:23 PM
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Expanding on what I said before...
Why should I object to the truth?
Mathematicians would be ideal for exactly the reason that Andrew said. You can readily find mathematicians who can define some theoretical test for "matches" but who have no clue what it means. And who can be convinced to adopt a meaning of "matches" which is insanely broad, without the necessary context to see how silly the answer is.
That doesn't mean that all mathematicians would be clueless on the topic. But their mathematical training is not going to give them the necessary insight to figure out what a meaningful answer is.
Cheers, Ben
PS Glad to be back. I now have an internet connection again. But I have a bit of catching up to do...
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #116,364
9/2/03 2:57:09 PM
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Expert Programmers
I knew a few excellent programmers that stunk at math, couldn't finish Algerbra or anything more advanced. Couldn't deal with fractions or anything more advanced. But they could write programs and do complex formulas really well.
Then I have known some Math Experts who also were programmers, but the programs stunk and crashed a lot.
Not sure what the Math Experts were looking for, maybe pattern matches in code? Like "StrUserName" variable names, etc? It is very common to use the same naming convention and come up with duplicate names. It is how the code is styled and used that shows a difference. Also comments may be different.
But then if the Math Experts were not looking at Linux code, but an old 1980's Unix clone which licensed the Unix code, then they would find a lot of matches. So SCO could have shown the Math Experts a different code than Linux.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #116,366
9/2/03 3:03:05 PM
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Thar she blows...
Are you sure you even read what you typed Norm?
Please. Thank you. Move along... nothing to see here.
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Post #116,424
9/3/03 6:04:50 AM
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Programmers are Artists, Norm. I've known this for years.
Is it enough to love Is it enough to breathe Somebody rip my heart out And leave me here to bleed
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