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New Ashcroft plays politics-of-panic with our civil liberties
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61023-2001Oct2.html|What a piece of work].

Excerpt:

The glow of bipartisanship faded a bit on Capitol Hill yesterday as negotiations on an anti-terrorism bill hit a last-minute snag and Attorney General John D. Ashcroft accused the Democratic-controlled Senate of delaying legislation that he says is urgently needed to thwart another terrorist attack.

One day after House negotiators reached a bipartisan compromise on the bill, talks between Bush administration officials and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) stumbled on -- among other things -- a provision setting out rules under which law enforcement agencies could share wiretap and grand jury information with intelligence agencies.

Leahy accused the White House of reneging on an agreement Sunday settling the last significant differences between his committee and the administration on the final shape of the legislation to expand police powers in surveillance and other realms.

Ashcroft, though he did not comment directly on the dispute, complained that the Senate was not moving with sufficient speed given what he said was the urgent need for additional law enforcement tools with which to fight terrorism.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
New It's not just Ashcroft
Every law enforcement agency in the country is pushing for their brand of "screw the public" legislation.
Who knows how empty the sky is
In the place of a fallen tower.
Who knows how quiet it is in the home
Where a son has not returned.

-- Anna Akhmatova (1889-1966)
New Anybody remember the expression
It's a poor workman who blames his tools?
The law enforcement community has plenty of tools that they don't know how to use properly already.

-H


New Agreed...
Witness all the good solid police work that has already been done (and is continuing to be done) without these "necessary measures"...
jb4
(Resistance is not futile...)
Expand Edited by jb4 Oct. 3, 2001, 06:25:58 PM EDT
New Depends on what you mean by...
From the same article:

Some Republican lawmakers, notably Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (Utah), the ranking minority member of the judiciary panel, said they shared Ashcroft's frustration over the delay.

"It's a very dangerous thing," said Hatch, who attended the meeting late yesterday morning with Ashcroft, Leahy and White House Counsel Alberto R. Gonzales. "It's time to get off our duffs and do what's right."


He means, of course, for very right values of "right".
jb4
(Resistance is not futile...)
New These things are not right-handed...
The things being bantered about are definitely not on the political >right<.

Members of both parties will not like the violations of civil liberties that these measures entail.

This boils down to an issue of trust. Those in favor of this trust the governement. Those opposed do not. So...imo...these issues will show more of a split along age lines than party. The older suburbanites (traditionally Republican) will support it because they've rarely, if ever, been given cause or justification to distrust government authority...the younger urbanites will see this as just another way the cops can harass your ass...and will strongly oppose it.

Anyone...in either party...who understands the founding principles of this country will oppose these measures.

But Congress will pass them anyway...in some form or another...lets just hope that the time measures put in place on these measures are enforced...and that the wiretap rules are indeed forced back to todays standards (at least) when "the party's over".
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New All the more reason for a distinction: "Emergency" regs =
a mandatory expiration / evaluation date.

Were these 'solons' at all ept: would see this as obvious solution to "just a little Panic" temporary rules.. til sanity [at least has a chance to] returns. Anon.




But then, what pol could be as smart as moi?
New We must destroy Democracy in order to save it!!
Isn't it great how [link|http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2001/10/01/tomo/index.html|humor] help you see things as they through exaggeration?
For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution;
and it is always wrong
H. L. Mencken, Mencken's Metalaw
New Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Truth.
First we read the novel, then saw rehearsals for the play, (with the same New language used in all the ads)

Now we get to do it.. (and we already know our lines!)





Sic transistor gloria mundi
New But, but, Ignorance is Strength!
Indoctrination must continue party slogans are recited without thought.
Alex

Whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. -- Euripides
     Ashcroft plays politics-of-panic with our civil liberties - (marlowe) - (9)
         It's not just Ashcroft - (wharris2) - (2)
             Anybody remember the expression - (hnick) - (1)
                 Agreed... - (jb4)
         Depends on what you mean by... - (jb4) - (2)
             These things are not right-handed... - (bepatient) - (1)
                 All the more reason for a distinction: "Emergency" regs = - (Ashton)
         We must destroy Democracy in order to save it!! - (Silverlock) - (2)
             Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Truth. - (Ashton) - (1)
                 But, but, Ignorance is Strength! - (a6l6e6x)

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