It's been (un)done

Post #11,408 by Ashton 10/3/01 6:10:56 AM Reply	It's been (un)done Did you want to go through the ontological proof of god One More time? or calculate e to about 500 places with a Monroe calculator? See also: phenomenology. You're just reiterating the POV actually uttered by an early guy who'd adopted (some sort of scientism) maybe before Dalton: if it can't be measured, it doesn't exist. Still waiting. Please prove the existence of: love pain sorrow etc. What? you say you 'feel' that, so it exists? HTF can I be sure you aren't lying? No, your screams don't count either. Too bad - your proof failed. If you want 'proof' - try math. Only place it isn't a laughable idea :-\ufffd BTW, what ever gave you the nutty idea that the "rules of science" about the world of physics - peer review, reproducible experiments etc. .. ever produce more than a current working theory? (Or did you imagine the results were: Truth for all time?) Just wondering, 'cause all That stuff's been dispensed with, over past few hundred years of kicking it around. C'mon.. next you'll be insisting that the Universe is logical - and so is consciousness (!!) Sorry - tilt. A.
Post #11,468 by Brandioch 10/3/01 12:32:42 PM Reply	Science can measure anything Or, more completely, Science can measure anything that Science can measure. Years ago, the concept that magnets could tell if you had a disease would have been ludicrious. Now we accept MRI. As our ability to measure things increases, we MIGHT be able to find more things to measure. Love We know it. We need it. We seek it. But we have no test to show whether someone is in love or not. There is more to existance than can be measured.
Post #11,473 by inthane-chan 10/3/01 12:39:48 PM Reply	Faith... ...is believing in the existence of something that we cannot prove exists. Many people don't realize what an incredible leap of faith we take every day by trusting that the world around us is actually the world around us. Prove to me that you all exist, and that I am not just a disembodied brain in a vat, being fed stimuli and responses that simulate a real world... Faith is different than Faith in God. We all have Faith at some level. What we have Faith in is where the arguments start. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #11,650 by static 10/3/01 10:23:14 PM Reply	"Take the red pill..." :-) "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #11,764 by inthane-chan 10/4/01 12:27:48 PM Reply	You know, I'm really beginning to hate that movie. I mean, it was a great action flic, and it had some neat concepts, but a lot of people (not necessarily here) have started to blow it all out of proportion, as if it was the modern equivalent of "Thus Spake Zarathustra." Of course, it may very well be - which speaks sadly of our times that the best anybody can come up with is to rehash some really old universal ideas, throw in some Zen buddhism, and call it "philosophy." "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #11,774 by Brandioch 10/4/01 1:21:34 PM Reply	Sad but true. Hate to say it, but that's our current level of development. Depth is not a virtue. Shallow and flashy will win everytime.
Post #11,856 by static 10/4/01 10:39:49 PM Reply	I know what you mean. I helped a friend of mine at church (he's the youth pastor) edit together some clips from it for a sermon series. The basic message was a conventional evangelical one, but using analogies from The Matrix was a new twist. I thought he kept the separation well, making sure the borrowed concepts stayed entirely within the movie's framework without trying to find "hidden" meaning in it. I tend to stay away from those who insist on reading more into it - besides, Evangalion is much more fertile ground for that! So they aren't really trying, are they? :-) Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #11,937 by inthane-chan 10/5/01 12:33:22 PM Reply	SMACK! Evangelion was even worse in some ways, although it sure had a lot to say about relationships. I would say it had a lot to do with the nature of human interaction, but not much to do with the nature of humanity. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #12,120 by static 10/7/01 3:08:39 AM Reply	I didn't say I agreed with doing that! I just said Evangelion was more fertile ground - being longer, mostly - for those who wished to to delve into such speculation. I continue to treat it as entertainment that makes asks some interesting questions within the aegis of its own framework (which happens to look a lot like our own, but now I digress :-). Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #12,249 by inthane-chan 10/8/01 12:45:35 PM Reply	DeSmacking. And no, DeSitter, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with you. Fnord. Oops, misread that. Neeever mind. Fnord again. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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