Atheism is NOT a position that requires Faith.

Post #11,283 by pwhysall 10/2/01 2:29:58 PM Reply	Atheism is NOT a position that requires Faith. Please desist from perpetuating this myth. Religion requires faith - you, as a Christian (rimshot oh, the irony, etc), are required to accept (a) that god exists, (b) that he/she/it/them is/are omni(present\|scient\|potent) and (c) your sole goal in life is to ensure your place in some similarly unknowable afterlife, worshipping him/her/it/them for all eternity. And all this in the absence of any scientific evidence of any kind whatsoever. That's what I call faith. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,287 by boxley 10/2/01 2:34:53 PM Reply	Dont you have faith that there is no scientific proof? duck! why did god give us a talleywhacker and a trigger finger if he didnt want us to use them? Randy Wayne White
Post #11,296 by pwhysall 10/2/01 2:45:34 PM Reply	Don't need faith. Need proof. And it ain't there. Or if it is, it's hiding really really well. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,308 by Ashton 10/2/01 4:51:57 PM Reply	OK [cackle] 'Prove' love._____________________cackle
Post #11,344 by boxley 10/2/01 9:24:51 PM Reply	EZ stuff Ash look down, think lusty thoughts scientific proof that lust works. Alone away from SO see hot whatever turns ya on and lust kicks in again. You may or may not decide to act on lust but if you feel remorse after acting or decide not to act that is respect of your SO. Scientific proof that respect exist. Go to play Bingo on YOUR Birthday even though you hate Bingo or go to a concert featuring a noted Jazz person that you think totally sux, that is proof love exists. I dont know what it is but dang sure what it aint. thanx, bill why did god give us a talleywhacker and a trigger finger if he didnt want us to use them? Randy Wayne White
Post #11,351 by Ashton 10/2/01 10:03:25 PM Reply	I see. Then.. If that 'proves' love: I suppose that, if my index finger happened to twitch a bit - it would mean I need to rush out and buy something with a trigger to finger? Gotcha. But remind me not to hire you to do my er accounts, with similar logic. Hmmm - how's yer company's stocks doin? :-\ufffd
Post #11,430 by boxley 10/3/01 10:05:39 AM Reply	well either that or the little man in the boat :) why did god give us a talleywhacker and a trigger finger if he didnt want us to use them? Randy Wayne White
Post #11,310 by Ashton 10/2/01 4:59:42 PM Reply	Nah.. have scientific proof that, faith is - 404.1a You have tried to acess a secure definition. You are not cleared for this access. (note access used as both noun and verb.) That is how smart we are. Repeated efforts at access shall result in disciplinary action
Post #11,331 by brettj 10/2/01 7:15:30 PM Reply	Webster's Faith: (notice non-religious reference): "Belief without proof" Can you prove your belief that some superbeing doesn't exist? I'll be waiting for this proof in the Religion forum, if you have some. (: P.S. to all those I've offended, Sorry. It looks like my time at IWETHEY has come to an end. Peace everyone. It was fun while it lasted.
Post #11,346 by bepatient 10/2/01 9:44:12 PM Reply	And what will running away solve? Can't take a little critcism? Don't see me running away from all these >liberals< do you? But we do try and keep the relevent discussions in the proper forums. The terrorists did not declare a holy war. The Taliban discussed it somewhat.. HOWEVER...that would pretty much be the equivalent of Jimmy Jones making you say the "Our Father" right before drinking the kool-aid. Many actions have been attributed to religion that are simply the product of irrational minds trying to solve >POLITICAL< issues. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #11,348 by a6l6e6x 10/2/01 9:55:54 PM Reply	Right on, Bill! Alex Whom the gods destroy, they first make mad. -- Euripides
Post #11,359 by Ashton 10/2/01 10:19:29 PM Reply	Minor nit.. Well.. Of Course! they are 'political'; killing folks is about 'temporal deeds', last I checked my doppelganger - but the engine / the source of power is always manipulation of, er interpretation of "something God wants you to do". You can make those scriptures say almost anything - to the illiterate and hungry (especially after you've appropriated what little they had before). Then you blame these God-less Others - for what bad shit you've been doing. (OK I'll give ya, in pre Gorbachev times, "something The Party wants you to do". Same difference - State as God) God's Messenger T-1 direct line
Post #11,372 by bepatient 10/2/01 11:44:48 PM Reply	C'mon Ash... God's Messenger T-1 direct line Any self-respecting Deity would have a fatter pipe than >that< :p You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #11,407 by Ashton 10/3/01 5:43:30 AM Reply	S'OK - She's not verbose.. lately She found that the more explanation given - the more homo-saps managed to screw up Her meaning, start orgs and make fancy uniforms. Like some of Her reeducation plans though: Jerry Foulwell gets sent to the room with the departed queers - the ones sent there earlier by his acolytes, a followin his suggestions (I'm not supposed to mention 'bout Mr. Robertson, but - whoever thought God has no sense of humor.. just hasn't met Her.)
Post #11,424 by jb4 10/3/01 9:45:40 AM Reply	Re: And what will running away solve? Don't see me running away from all these >liberals< do you? Gad, I hope not...what fun would that be (BE?)... Brett, stick around! Please...? jb4 (Resistance is not futile...)
Post #11,426 by Silverlock 10/3/01 9:55:45 AM Reply	Damn glad you don't " Don't see me running away from all these >liberals< do you?" I learn more and have more fun arguing with the loyal opposition than I ever would agreeing with someone all the time. Most especially when the arguements are well thought out instead of simple shouting matches. I am very glad of the presence of you, Marlowe, Addison, Wharris and the other right wing extremists. :-) Hell, you've even convinced me to change my mind every now and then. For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is always wrong H. L. Mencken, Mencken's Metalaw
Post #11,428 by jb4 10/3/01 10:02:27 AM Reply	(Shhhh...Don't encourage them...) ;-) jb4 (Resistance is not futile...)
Post #11,432 by Silverlock 10/3/01 10:06:59 AM Reply	Like they need encouragement. :) For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is always wrong H. L. Mencken, Mencken's Metalaw
Post #11,450 by bepatient 10/3/01 11:18:18 AM Reply	..mmm...the Force is strong with this one... You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #11,477 by wharris2 10/3/01 12:52:27 PM Reply	flapping my wing (flap flap flap) Of course I don't consider myself an extremist, I just consider myself more intelligent than the typical stupid flaming liberal. :=) Who knows how empty the sky is In the place of a fallen tower. Who knows how quiet it is in the home Where a son has not returned. -- Anna Akhmatova (1889-1966)
Post #11,832 by brettj 10/4/01 8:34:17 PM Reply	Running away usually doesn't solve anything. But sometimes when things get too hot it seems the only logical thing to do before you do or say something you regret. Plus I was just proving to y'all how thin my skin still is. (: Maybe I was afraid you guys had lost your compassion. I was wrong. Thanks.
Post #11,871 by brettj 10/5/01 12:36:31 AM Reply	Re: Religion involvement. I think the Taliban have already issued 5 Jihad announcements on the U.S. since America was attacked on September 11th. bin Laden has supposedly sent a Jihad fax and another video Jihad, if I'm not mistaken. Can anyone confirm or deny? There may be more religious extremism here than you or I realize.
Post #11,394 by pwhysall 10/3/01 1:39:44 AM Reply	Offence? You haven't offended me, at all, ever :-) I've responded to your request in the Religion forum. If I find that I've written all that for nothing and you've just buggered off, I shall be MOST annoyed. Yes, there will be differences here. If you translate any difference of opinion as some kind of personal attack, then you will be quite unhappy here. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,872 by brettj 10/5/01 12:57:20 AM Reply	Defence. I think I owe you an apology, and I'm not even sure why. (: Thanks for starting this discussion with wisdom and caution. I'm impressed and humbled.

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