I'd ask Alan Kay

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by tuberculosis

8/4/03 4:13:11 PM

8/21/07 6:34:14 AM

I'd ask Alan Kay

its his term.

Quote: "I made up the term 'object-oriented', and I can tell you I didn't have C++ in mind" - Alan Kay, OOPSLA '97

He'd say it needs garbage collection.

He'd also add it should be more message oriented than function calling oriented. (See thread from last week or so).

Or read his paper on the OpenCroquet site (opencroquet.org).

Smalltalk is dangerous. It is a drug. My advice to you would be don't try it; it could ruin your life. Once you take the time to learn it (to REALLY learn it) you will see that there is nothing out there (yet) to touch it. Of course, like all drugs, how dangerous it is depends on your character. It may be that once you've got to this stage you'll find it difficult (if not impossible) to "go back" to other languages and, if you are forced to, you might become an embittered character constantly muttering ascerbic comments under your breath. Who knows, you may even have to quit the software industry altogether because nothing else lives up to your new expectations.
--AndyBower

Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:34:14 AM EDT

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Why extends is evil? - (johnu) - (44) - Aug. 4, 2003, 01:01:44 PM EDT

Is this just for Java? - (drewk) - Aug. 4, 2003, 01:08:47 PM EDT

This argument is needlessly pedantic, IMO - (FuManChu) - Aug. 4, 2003, 01:19:58 PM EDT

Lesson learned from Smalltalk - (ChrisR) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2003, 01:22:03 PM EDT

sounds like a will -NT - (deSitter) - Aug. 4, 2003, 02:43:03 PM EDT

Inheritance is a tool. - (admin) - (7) - Aug. 4, 2003, 02:30:40 PM EDT

Re: Inheritance is a tool. - (deSitter) - (3) - Aug. 4, 2003, 02:43:38 PM EDT

There's more to life than implementation inheritance. - (admin) - Aug. 4, 2003, 03:24:35 PM EDT

Definitions - (johnu) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2003, 03:24:52 PM EDT

I'd ask Alan Kay - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:34:14 AM EDT

Thank you, Scott! - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2003, 07:25:50 PM EDT

Another Me Too - (JimWeirich) - Aug. 4, 2003, 07:36:37 PM EDT

Good example of bad inheritance, java.util.Stack - (bluke) - Aug. 5, 2003, 08:14:25 AM EDT

This guy cracks me up - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:34:08 AM EDT

IS A vs HAS A - (gdaustin) - (30) - Aug. 4, 2003, 10:30:10 PM EDT

Quite. - (static) - Aug. 5, 2003, 08:16:32 AM EDT

I missed that course - (drewk) - (18) - Aug. 5, 2003, 09:29:59 AM EDT

Shorthand for relationships - (admin) - (17) - Aug. 5, 2003, 09:36:46 AM EDT

Re: Shorthand for relationships - (deSitter) - (1) - Aug. 5, 2003, 09:40:20 AM EDT

snicker - (FuManChu) - Aug. 5, 2003, 10:51:07 AM EDT

ISA/HASA are good for a first approximation - (JimWeirich) - (14) - Aug. 5, 2003, 10:02:12 AM EDT

So what does it get you? - (drewk) - (10) - Aug. 5, 2003, 10:07:20 AM EDT

Specialization vs. Generalization - (gdaustin) - Aug. 5, 2003, 10:25:51 AM EDT

Code - (JimWeirich) - (7) - Aug. 5, 2003, 10:59:43 AM EDT

Thanks, but what would HASA look like? -NT - (drewk) - (6) - Aug. 5, 2003, 11:22:29 AM EDT

HASA - (gdaustin) - (5) - Aug. 5, 2003, 05:31:03 PM EDT

See, that's where I always get tripped up - (drewk) - (4) - Aug. 5, 2003, 05:53:29 PM EDT

There is a point to naming the useless stuff - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Sept. 21, 2003, 05:36:50 PM EDT

Clarification - (drewk) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2003, 10:37:14 AM EDT

Yes - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2003, 10:04:26 PM EDT

That's why I shouldn't be a teacher - (drewk) - Sept. 23, 2003, 10:51:27 AM EDT

The example of a stack (see post above) is a good one - (bluke) - Aug. 5, 2003, 11:47:35 AM EDT

My car is a Saturn - (gdaustin) - Aug. 5, 2003, 10:31:43 AM EDT

hierarchies and the real world - (tablizer) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2003, 02:07:51 PM EDT

Nonsense - (ChrisR) - Aug. 9, 2003, 03:51:57 PM EDT

Not quite that simple - (tuberculosis) - (9) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:36:01 AM EDT

Thing I love/hate about smalltalk - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 5, 2003, 12:26:10 PM EDT

Similar to Python in that fashion -NT - (admin) - Aug. 5, 2003, 12:41:34 PM EDT

Its real -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:36:13 AM EDT

Forgot to mention: key driver is "substitutability" - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:36:18 AM EDT

Techies at Hertz - (tablizer) - (3) - Aug. 9, 2003, 02:12:31 PM EDT

And if your Table or Data Structure is... - (ChrisR) - Aug. 9, 2003, 03:53:19 PM EDT

Mostly - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:45:06 PM EDT

Or perhaps that .... - (gdaustin) - Aug. 11, 2003, 12:03:54 AM EDT

Code sharing vs. polymorphism - (johnu) - Aug. 5, 2003, 04:42:32 PM EDT

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