Post #111,723
7/28/03 12:07:31 PM
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Today's Altercation a must-read
[link|http://msnbc.com/news/752664.asp?0dm=C16NO|http://msnbc.com/new...664.asp?0dm=C16NO]
It goes into what the White House knew when about both 9/11 AND what I like to call "nuke faux pas"...
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #111,776
7/28/03 5:19:10 PM
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Then there's this Kristol link -
[link|http://www.msnbc.com/news/752664.asp?cp1=1#030724|Kristol ] . . .
Going back to the Dem\ufffds Attention Deficit Disorder, what I would suggest is before launching any attack on Dubya, honestly ask if that proverbial soccer mom or football fan (not that the two are mutually exclusive!) is really interested. When you tick off a list of all the things four billion dollars a month could fund (rather than being spent on a U.N.-less Iraq occupation), it hits home. When you talk about suspect British intelligence making its way into a state of the union speech, it doesn\ufffdt. When you say \ufffdDubya\ufffds tax cut took cops off the street, teachers out of the schools and is going to affect your kids\ufffd chance at a decent job\ufffd that hits home, especially when you can follow-up with \ufffdplease don\ufffdt trust me on this - read what nonpartisans, even many conservatives, are saying about this.\ufffd When you tap dance around how you\ufffdd keep some of the tax cuts but reject others... not so much!
Finally, D. Sach\ufffds letter from the RNC to television stations is truly shocking and strikes me as misleading in another sense - it uses keywords from commercial false advertising law to imply that running the commercials breaks the law and threatens their license. If I were the DNC, I\ufffdd bring an action against them (intentional interference with contract or somesuch) and dare them to make an issue out of it.
Eric replies: Here (thanks to JJ Goldberg) is an argument for Stupid\ufffds point about the music industry.
July 24, 2003 / 12:49 PM ET
LIKE FATHER, LIKE SON
It cannot possibly be a coincidence that William Kristol has chosen to defend President Bush and his slacker war against terrorism by impugning Richard Gephardt with the same phraseology that his father used half a century ago to defend Joe McCarthy. In this morning\ufffds Washington Post, Kristol writes, \ufffdBut the American people, whatever their doubts about aspects of Bush\ufffds foreign policy, know that Bush is serious about fighting terrorists and terrorist states that mean America harm. About Bush\ufffds Democratic critics, they know no such thing.\ufffd In the journal Commentary in 1952, during the McCarthy era, Irving Kristol wrote, \ufffdFor there is one thing that the American people know about Senator McCarthy; he, like them, is unequivocally anti-Communist. About the spokesman for American liberalism, they feel they know no such thing.\ufffd
This is truly amazing. It explicitly links the Neocons\ufffd exploitation of the threat of terrorism to that no-good drunken bum, Joe McCarthy, and his use of the charge of \ufffdCommie\ufffd to ruin lives on a whim through a deliberately stoked mass hysteria. I think there is a great deal of this going on right now, but even I would have been reluctant to go so far. But there it is. The charge worked for McCarthy \ufffd at least for a while \ufffd and Kristol now seems certain it will work for his team as well. Just one question: Have they no shame? At long last, have they no sense of decency left? {sigh} - with language murder now the norm - it's a wonder Anything comprising actual deductive reasoning can be found (except in the last bastion - the Comics Page. Natch.) A.
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Post #111,855
7/29/03 12:00:50 PM
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burrowing through that link...
I came upon this glimpse into the, ah, minds of some of Dubya's core supporters: And fluttering like butterflies amid all this practiced efficiency on Friday afternoon are hundreds of Mary Kay Cosmetics conventioneers, who, it turns out, have taken over the hotel for most of the month. The ladies are everywhere, peppy, pretty and very pink -- pink being the signature Mary Kay color -- and they are delighted that their president is visiting. "We wanna know something," demands Nancy Brock of Alabama. "Is there ever a bad-looking Secret Service agent?" She giggles, and so do her mother, Caroline Sagunsky of Oregon, and her sister, Emily Sims of Florida. The trio have just stepped through the hotel doors after posing for a picture in front of the backup presidential limo, a popular photo op throughout the afternoon, with its Presidential Seal on the door and its gold-fringed flags on the hood.
The three would prefer to see the man and not just his car. They love him. Voted for him last time, can't wait to do it again, and "have you ever had a facial?"
Yes, once, it was wonderful, but here's a question: Are they concerned the administration might have emphasized false intelligence to build a case for the war against Iraq?
"I don't care about it at all," says Sims, while her mother and sister nod in agreement, "because we don't know anything about this [classified] intelligence. We can't know, as ordinary citizens, and we don't want to know -- it's scary -- and that's why we have leaders, and they worry about that for us.[1] I trust him to lead. I trust that he's doing good things in the Oval Office and not bad things, if you know what I mean.[2]
"And I love that he's a Christian man." [link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17396-2003Jul19.html|http://www.washingto...96-2003Jul19.html] [1] Interesting echo there of the Den Beste sneer (anent an objection that the public is entitled to an honest accounting of the reasoning behind our imperial lunges) that "They don't need to know, and can't be trusted to know." [2] Of course we know what you mean, sweetheart. Go ahead and say "blowjob"--we're all friends here. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #111,882
7/29/03 2:38:03 PM
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Sadly that proves his point
Interesting echo there of the Den Beste sneer (anent an objection that the public is entitled to an honest accounting of the reasoning behind our imperial lunges) that "They don't need to know, and can't be trusted to know." The people quoted here shouldn't be trusted. And Beste is probably right to assume there are more of her than there are of you. ===
Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
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Post #111,891
7/29/03 3:30:38 PM
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Re: Sadly that proves his point
This being the case, should we not abandon any pretense of maintaining democratic institutions, since the Teeming Millions have become too debauched to sustain these, and resign ourselves to rule by the oligarchs?
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #111,899
7/29/03 4:22:20 PM
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Well, this *is* democracy we're talking about
To paraphrase the famous line about the institution:
Letting just anybody vote is the worst idea possible, except for not letting just anybody vote.
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
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Post #111,944
7/29/03 9:42:49 PM
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NOOooooo._____Pretense R'US !!
Also euphemism, hypocrisy (and sanctimony about how Wonderfully the euphemism and hypocrisy meshes, to the tune of It's a Small Small Small World).
Winston Smith's girlfriend succeeded in seeing that 2+2=5.
The Mary Kay Belles will leave that difficult math to Those Big Men in Washington.
[exact quote of My Gramma}
Oh.. that Stuff that goes around DOES come around - as the Oncology process. It metastasizes, clots into little malignant marlowe-clumps: with those now famous h\ufffdmogenetic blood vessels growing out to connect to each little fucked-DNA-organism, nourishing the puppies via daily infusions of 180 Proof injection-grade den-Beste (rhymes with bin-L?)
Nope, t'wouldn't be Murica - without the Daily Pretense - now, would it?
Ashton,
noting that one of the more humongous UAvs, that Yukon-on-$teroid$, called Denali .. is such an obv anagram for Denial! :-\ufffd
[A GM Customer-Seduction Engineer with a sense of humor ?!?]
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Post #111,932
7/29/03 8:49:38 PM
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Universal suffrage - you asked for it, you got it
-drl
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Post #111,950
7/29/03 10:29:12 PM
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Universal suffrage - asked for; got--calling you on this
Do you maintain that the mindlessness cited above is particular to or remotely unique to women voters? Pray do not be coy with us: do you wish, as my 81 year-old pater does, to withdraw the franchise from the gentle sex? You may speak frankly in this almost exclusively masculine forum (nightowl's reproaches--not that the poor thing would figure it out, or speak up if she did--do not, after all, form the stuff of our rhetorical nightmares). If it's not women, do you deplore extension of the vote to the lesser races? To the non-propertied?
Do. Tell.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #111,973
7/30/03 12:28:42 AM
7/30/03 12:31:46 AM
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Yes
Most women have no business voting. A tiny fraction more of men have any business voting. No one who cannot recite from memory basic facts of civics and history should be allowed to choose if we ALL live under a police state or no.
Pass a test, get a vote. Almost all women would fail. Almost all men would fail as well, but I'm confident a small and decisive majority of men would win out, and save the world for honestly won freedom. Women are natural collectivists and to be feared.
It is suicide to allow idiots to vote. Most women are idiots. The female idiots are somehow much more intolerable than the male ones.
-drl
Edited by deSitter
July 30, 2003, 12:31:46 AM EDT
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Post #111,979
7/30/03 2:19:47 AM
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If you studied
you must have learned that voting is a right that everyone has. Even idiots have the right to vote. We should help them learn more about political issues and history and civics so they become less of an idiot. In our society only a small percentage of the population votes, unless it is a major election. It is also a duty to vote, as a citizen. In some countries, like Thailand, it is against the law not to vote and violators may get thrown in jail or fined.
I do not see most women as idiots, I just see them as thinking different than most men. They may have different issues they vote on or consider than most men do. Women have fought for the right to vote, and they got it.
The main key is educating the people out there who are uninformed on political, historical, and civic matters so that we get better voters. I wouldn't call them idiots, just uninformed. After all, everyone has a potential they haven't reached yet.
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Post #111,980
7/30/03 2:38:08 AM
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Orion: go to your room. Have a cookie.
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Post #112,037
7/30/03 11:59:45 AM
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... the hell is YOUR problem?
Not a fucking thing wrong with Orion's post. On topic, valid response to desitter.
Knee-jerking a bit much this morning, old bean?
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #112,039
7/30/03 12:02:29 PM
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No...
He just wants certain unamed people to refrain from "posting by numbers"
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]
You are as dazzling as a pregnant cow attired in electrical sockets.
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Post #112,047
7/30/03 12:33:14 PM
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Christ, we've got the forum police now.
Nevermind. I guess I don't spend enough time here to give a damn anyway.
Gee... this really [b]is[/b] a microcosm of american politcs!
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #112,053
7/30/03 12:52:58 PM
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Naw Chris...
Just that Ashton has finally had his "limit" over ran with his dribble... even IF it is not dribble.
I use CSS to ignore (the unamed poster) now. So I only post to him to taunt him now.
And DAMMIT yes... we have Forum police... considering HOW MUCH SHITTING all over the place he has done before... HERE and on twiki and most other forums he frequents.
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]
The glow of your teeth exudes the courage of raw liver.
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Post #112,050
7/30/03 12:35:51 PM
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And >that< is really funny.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #112,043
7/30/03 12:15:03 PM
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Agree. Uncalled for...regardless.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #112,002
7/30/03 7:26:00 AM
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Be careful of what you wish for, you might get it...
I could see our current regime instituting voting tests (just to weed out terrorists, of course. And idiots. And the uninformed. And those who don't agree with the agenda. And ...)
As a side note, you should probably not discuss, face to face, your views of female voting with my wife. You would probably require DNA analysis to prove your masculinity afterward.
You really seem to have an unfortunate history with women. I don't get it. After high school (no longer dating strictly for sex) almost all of the women I had any real relationships with were intelligent, informed, and opinionated. Maybe you are doing something to attract the strange ones.
Anyway, good luck. Life is a lot more fun with them than without them.
Hugh
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Post #112,191
7/31/03 2:32:29 AM
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for, you might get it...
Actually I miss them not at all. I find the company of women tiresome at best, and annoying to irritating at worst. I actively avoid them.
Needless to say, my libido has been directed elsewhere. I find sex almost as boring as women. Since I also have no need for a cook, a companion, or a maid, I find it possible to do entirely without any real contact with women. I am happier than at any time in my life, and the only thing that might possibly ruin it is cancer or love.
As for voting tests, if the voters were all well-informed and could pass the test I have in mind, the current regime would never have even come close to being in power, so your scenario is backwards.
Now, having said this, my attitude toward women has nothing to do with my animus for feminism, which is a standalone terrible idea.
-drl
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Post #112,239
7/31/03 10:41:14 AM
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Watch out for prostate cancer! ;-)
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Post #112,251
7/31/03 12:30:05 PM
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General Jack deSitter
I first became aware of it during the physical act of love...a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness...Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred. Women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #112,328
7/31/03 7:34:24 PM
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Almost.
[link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000055Y0X/104-1547960-6010315?vi=glance|General Jack D. Ripper] (Sterling Hayden), a maniacal warrior obsessed with "the purity of precious bodily fluids," mounts his singular campaign against Communism by ordering a squadron of B-52 bombers to attack the Soviet Union. Dr. Strangelove, now there's a classic. General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No, I don't think I do, sir, no.
General Jack D. Ripper: He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Alex
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw
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Post #112,332
7/31/03 8:00:24 PM
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Please refrain from quoting PNAC Founding Scripture here!
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Post #112,423
8/1/03 2:55:37 PM
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Re: Almost.
Of course, my point has been missed - the culture of vanity and self-obsession has been the ruination of women, AND men. THAT is what I fly from.
How I long for 1775.
I find it hilarious how the mere mention of a contrary opinion brings forth quotes from sexual satire. In fact, the modern world is EXACTLY the one imagined by Southern - one in which obsession with sex and phallic sufficiency is undermining civilization. I have no need to get my rocks off. I am cast out of the penile/vulvic mob by the thought-crime of preferring satori to orgasms.
-drl
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Post #112,430
8/1/03 3:57:29 PM
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Well, deS
I fancy that I {very approximately} Get it - what you 'mean' here.
But I think that you (and I) most-often lack the wit and vocabulary to translate a deeply-felt disgust at -What-? we perceive to be the utter tawdriness of our daily environment in this homogenized Techno-Corpo-Theocracy du jour - at least in such useful form as might.. catalyze any improvement.
I can't know what works for you; for moi the means of placing the matters in some perspective is ~ just remembering to Remember that large company (though a tiny percentage, of course) of folks who did possess the wit and the scale to 'describe' - yet escape becoming - a Part of the daily Madness. To join-in Is to die, effectively enough.
It seems that "we are so dull" usually, that rereading the stuff we sorta already know - is a necessity. (We may be quite as ridikyulus as others, but at least we sometimes Know we are)
(Yeah.. some days that doesn't work, either :(
Hang in there. (for certain ideas of there)
Ashton
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Post #112,421
8/1/03 2:45:52 PM
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:)good one
-drl
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Post #112,040
7/30/03 12:02:45 PM
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As long as we're being glibly carte-blanche....
90% of all internet cranks are simply wasting bandwidth.
The other 10% are taking a nap.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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