Community software issues (article)

Post #108,929 by FuManChu 7/9/03 7:40:01 PM Reply	Community software issues (article) Sometimes I think we need a Sociology or Community forum, but Open Forum it'll have to be for now. Anyway, here's a good (if diffuse) article on group dynamics in 'Net communities, focusing on design which takes advantage of those dynamics. [link\|http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html\|http://www.shirky.co.../group_enemy.html] I'm gonna go build my own theme park! With Blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the park!
Post #108,961 by ben_tilly 7/10/03 2:22:11 AM Reply	Interesting talk I like the suggestion for combining modes of communication (conference call, chat, and wiki). The rest of it struck me as true, but more understandable if you had personally been through the evolution of a few online communities yourself... Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #108,997 by drewk 7/10/03 11:11:14 AM Reply	Wow that's good As I said on the jabber after the second or third good line I quoted, "Go read it before I have to quote every third line at you." === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #109,154 by gdaustin 7/11/03 12:31:37 AM Reply	Printed it... But left it at work... I feel strongly that the next killer application is going to come out research like this... I've thought for a long time that collaborative project planning (the real stuff, not the BS MS puts outs), or collaborative scheduling, or some creative adaptions of value rating systems (like the user ratings of books on Amazon or the rating of users on eBay), is going to finally click in some person's mind and it will make them rich. I've been talking the talk since about 1992 (when I wanted to do computer testing like BrainBench, but couldn't figure out how to get the test distributed pre Internet). Damn, I wish I'd worked on that instead of playing Wasteland (the predecessor to Doom) for hours on end. I need to walk the walk. I posted a few days ago about a web page to check your refinance, and I've done some more research and still think it's a great idea. Unfortunately, I chat with you guys, play with kids, do other stuff and I don't get it done. I need to get it done.... Glen Austin
Post #109,160 by FuManChu 7/11/03 1:13:00 AM Reply	Next killer app ...would be distributed calendaring, if I had my way. And I just might next year. It's not as if we don't have good open specs for it... I'm gonna go build my own theme park! With Blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the park!
Post #109,162 by Steve Lowe 7/11/03 2:54:54 AM Reply	Seen opengroupware? [link\|http://www.opengroupware.org\|http://www.opengroupware.org] Not quite distributed calendaring, but a good step toward an open source Exchange replacement. Mission: To create, as a community, the leading open source groupware server to integrate with the leading open source office suite products and all the leading groupware clients running across all major platforms, and to provide access to all functionality and data through open XML-based interfaces and APIs. Haven't tried it myself, yet. ----- Steve
Post #109,216 by FuManChu 7/11/03 10:39:45 AM Reply	Looks promising! I might just have to play with that...see what they mean by version 1.0 :) I'm gonna go build my own theme park! With Blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the park!
Post #109,195 by drewk 7/11/03 9:02:47 AM Reply	I've been re-thinking my opinion The author makes a very good case that everything he's saying has been discovered over and over before, but that nobody bothers to study the history. I think he may be guilty of it too, by not looking back far enough. One of the big issues IMO is the idea that, in order for a community to be long-lived, a core group must come into being and impose some norms upon the society. Membership in this core group is to a degree a matter self-selection, but also implies long and/or extensive commitment to the group. How is this different from tribal leadership or politics? Ever since there have been large groups of humans, individuals with a desire to influence the group have coalesced into leadership groups. Leadership can only be asserted over those who know the leaders well enough to respect their opinion. Have we really created something truly new here? Of is the only difference that group membership is no longer dictated by geography? === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #109,202 by gdaustin 7/11/03 9:49:43 AM Reply	What is new.... Solomon said that there is nothing new under the sun... But I digress, already. What is new, I think, is the creation of a community that transcends time and space. What I mean by that, is that you don't have to all be at the same place, at the same time. Threaded conversations can occur over time, without all participants being there at EXACTLY the same time. Also, the fact that you don't have to specifically MEET (all people at the same time, same place), means you can get more things done, I think. With IWeThey, each one of us drops in as time permits and leaves our opinion, we don't all have to be here at 4pm on Thursday. Also, he's saying the joining of multiple technologies at one time is new. Conference call plus web presentation, plus instant message chat all at the same time. Hasn't been possible before. Before, we all had to show up in a conference room and watch the same slides from the laptop, and someone had to act as "scribe" to take down all the comments. The sociology is the same at is ever was. The technology we use to interact, however, is new. Just don't let a bunch of high school kids know about this website! Glen Austin
Post #109,204 by boxley 7/11/03 9:55:01 AM Reply	ageist :) there have been several highschoolers that have been welcome additions here, some have moved on, all are welcome. thanx, bill questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #109,223 by gdaustin 7/11/03 11:11:16 AM Reply	I was referring to the ones from the article... Grampa... ;-)
Post #109,253 by boxley 7/11/03 12:37:21 PM Reply	not yet by goll, unless it is by the unknown potential horde questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #109,262 by ben_tilly 7/11/03 1:00:32 PM Reply	Yeah, we don't have to worry about highschooler's here... Just the ones like you who never grew up. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #109,264 by boxley 7/11/03 1:09:03 PM Reply	growing up is for old folks, je refuse!! :) questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #109,274 by Andrew Grygus 7/11/03 1:35:34 PM Reply	Reminds me of when someone asked . . . . "Why don't you act your age?". I replied, "If I started acting my age, I'd probably start looking my age too". It's just not worth it. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #109,309 by Ashton 7/11/03 4:04:14 PM Reply	Heh... seconded.
Post #109,341 by rcareaga 7/11/03 9:20:16 PM Reply	Re: Heh... seconded. I have found one of the unexpected consolations of middle age to be condescending to the young. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #109,370 by Ashton 7/12/03 5:37:26 AM Reply	Corollary The incredible persistence of say, Linus Pauling - still running at 120% in his '90s.. he gave a talk at Unitarian Church in Kensington in 1983; seemed not much different from his days duelling with HUAC while tryin to beat out Watson & Frick (and sabotaged by passport monkeybusiness at a critical moment). Fucking repos of any era never do have any style.. But yeah.. AHIP ;-)

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