God is hard to define

all we have is writings about him, the bible, what the Church thinks, what other people wrote, but God is still hard to define. It is like trying to stuff infinity into a finite box.

We Christians belive that God took human form as Jesus, and limited his abilities so that he would die as a human being does, but then come back to life in three days. Just like the rest of us, as a human he had to eat, sleep, etc. He taught us that sins can be forgiven and that God even loves those who are outcasts, those who are gentiles, tax collectors, and others that normally would have been overlooked. It is taught to us that even a murderer on death row can repent his sins and later enter Heaven after he dies in the electric chair. The blood of Jesus can wash away the stains of any sin, we are taught. No matter how many or how big.

While I cannot find the verse now, Jesus did say that the Father was greater than Jesus was. But the church taught us that God is a Trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirt. All three are part of the same God. If the Father is greater than the Son, then Jesus must have had limits put on him that the father doesn't have. Jesus said "Your will be done, not mine" to the Father, showing that Jesus has his own will but let the Father take over for his will. Could it be the same for the rest of us to have a Free Will, but we can let God's Will take over for it if we want to?

Who. Would. Have. THOUGHT! such.a.thing. Hah: You!

We non-Christians see nothing in your (now multi-volume set of committee meeting notes) that is useful to the purpose. Or any purpose - except keeping alive a massive Corporate group of personnel - (too-) many of whom, for possessing valuable sinecures: now guard these fantasy-positions as assiduously as any other rubber-goods CIEIO.

Youse guys couldn't understand a metaphor if it bit you on the ass and left tooth marks - and your spokes-Persons are constantly rubbing everyone Else's! nose in this massive and simple-minded conjecture about

All That Is.

Other groups.. tend to keep bloody mouths Shut about matters which are only and everywhere: for quiet and solitary personal discovery.. and not for inane and puerile ad-campaigns door-to-door, like any peddler of branded snake-oils.

Your Guys\ufffd are the impetus behind more wars than love, more me-me-me profits than compassion - and more sanctimonious hate-filled BS than a stockyard.

ie: I demur.

Ashton

Post #106,924 by orion 6/22/03 9:47:32 PM Reply	God is hard to define all we have is writings about him, the bible, what the Church thinks, what other people wrote, but God is still hard to define. It is like trying to stuff infinity into a finite box. We Christians belive that God took human form as Jesus, and limited his abilities so that he would die as a human being does, but then come back to life in three days. Just like the rest of us, as a human he had to eat, sleep, etc. He taught us that sins can be forgiven and that God even loves those who are outcasts, those who are gentiles, tax collectors, and others that normally would have been overlooked. It is taught to us that even a murderer on death row can repent his sins and later enter Heaven after he dies in the electric chair. The blood of Jesus can wash away the stains of any sin, we are taught. No matter how many or how big. While I cannot find the verse now, Jesus did say that the Father was greater than Jesus was. But the church taught us that God is a Trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirt. All three are part of the same God. If the Father is greater than the Son, then Jesus must have had limits put on him that the father doesn't have. Jesus said "Your will be done, not mine" to the Father, showing that Jesus has his own will but let the Father take over for his will. Could it be the same for the rest of us to have a Free Will, but we can let God's Will take over for it if we want to? "I wonder how much of this BS Corporations will continue to shallow before they start looking into alternatives to Microsoft software?" -[link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=106839\|Orion]
Post #106,932 by Ashton 6/22/03 10:21:01 PM Reply	Re: God is hard to define - umm Really ?? Who. Would. Have. THOUGHT! such.a.thing. Hah: You! We non-Christians see nothing in your (now multi-volume set of committee meeting notes) that is useful to the purpose. Or any purpose - except keeping alive a massive Corporate group of personnel - (too-) many of whom, for possessing valuable sinecures: now guard these fantasy-positions as assiduously as any other rubber-goods CIEIO. Youse guys couldn't understand a metaphor if it bit you on the ass and left tooth marks - and your spokes-Persons are constantly rubbing everyone Else's! nose in this massive and simple-minded conjecture about All That Is. Other groups.. tend to keep bloody mouths Shut about matters which are only and everywhere: for quiet and solitary personal discovery.. and not for inane and puerile ad-campaigns door-to-door, like any peddler of branded snake-oils. Your Guys\ufffd are the impetus behind more wars than love, more me-me-me profits than compassion - and more sanctimonious hate-filled BS than a stockyard. ie: I demur. Ashton
Post #106,938 by a6l6e6x 6/22/03 10:36:51 PM Reply	Shine the light of truth, brother! :) Alex "Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life." -- Eric Hoffer

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