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Post #106,917
by Andrew Grygus
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6/22/03 9:18:43 PM
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New From the viewpoint of "God is Without Limit" . .
. . it follows that All is included within God. If you say God is not All, then you are placing limits on God.

Of course, in the Pagan viewpoint, placing limits on god is routine. You draw a line around the hunk of All you wish to deal with and give it a name and personality. Now you have a "god" (an aspect of nature or natural forces or human characteristics or whatever you want to deal with) defined in a way which allows you to describe it's relationship with other similarly defined entities and how they relate to humanity, all in human terms. Such deliberately circumscribed definitions do not, however, invalidate All, which they are defined parts of.

So are you limiting God in the Pagan manner, or is God limitless, thus All Encompasing?

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Post #106,949
by tseliot
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6/23/03 1:53:20 AM
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New I think I made it clear earlier in this thread...
...that (in my understanding) God has chosen to limit himself. Creation is a distinct dualistic act; the concept that there is something "not God". I'm not saying every religion or theology believes this (far from it), but it seems to be supported in OT/NT Hebraic thought. So the phrase "from the viewpoint of 'God is Without Limit'" brings us right back to my earlier post (with Ross) about what one means by "omnipotent", and how that is more often an axiom of one's system than a conclusion.

So I'd take issue with the humanist viewpoint that *I* am placing limits on God; I am not the inventor of Christianity or Judaism for that matter. None of my theologizing comes from some Nietzschean proto-theos where I just woke up one day and decided to create a Deity. It comes from an honest investigation (and reconciliation) of the witness written down in the OT and NT--I happen to have found those authors to be reasonably accurate, and believe what they testify to. Do all "Christians" feel the same way (i.e. wrt Christian epistemology)? No. But they don't have to in order to gain the benefits of the contract.
Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
     Must we...? - (tseliot) - (33) - June 21, 2003, 01:01:44 PM EDT
         Re: Must we...? - (deSitter) - (5) - June 21, 2003, 01:11:50 PM EDT
             Nice try. - (tseliot) - (2) - June 21, 2003, 02:25:13 PM EDT
                 Hmm. A couple of passages. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 21, 2003, 09:39:22 PM EDT
                     Always a "yes, but" :) - (tseliot) - June 22, 2003, 12:31:20 AM EDT
             Sorry, I've got to. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - June 21, 2003, 04:38:13 PM EDT
                 Well said; hadn't thought about that before. -NT - (tseliot) - June 22, 2003, 12:34:05 AM EDT
         here's a take from about 45 years ago - (rcareaga) - June 21, 2003, 05:41:37 PM EDT
         Omnipotent with a twisted sense of humor -NT - (boxley) - June 21, 2003, 05:57:40 PM EDT
         An interesting synchronicity with your sig. - (Ashton) - (1) - June 22, 2003, 01:47:58 AM EDT
             Meh. Narrow is the way. -NT - (tseliot) - June 22, 2003, 02:09:21 AM EDT
         Yank chain . . . big noise! - (Andrew Grygus) - (22) - June 22, 2003, 01:45:32 PM EDT
             Did Tommy really write that? And you're quoting Pete. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 22, 2003, 01:58:26 PM EDT
                 Re: Did Tommy really write that? And you're quoting Pete. - (Andrew Grygus) - June 22, 2003, 02:56:58 PM EDT
             Synchronicity... - (admin) - (1) - June 22, 2003, 03:10:18 PM EDT
                 Betcha - (Ashton) - June 22, 2003, 10:04:14 PM EDT
             Question: - (tseliot) - (12) - June 22, 2003, 03:59:39 PM EDT
                 Evidence? I thought we were discussing religion. - (Andrew Grygus) - (11) - June 22, 2003, 06:35:01 PM EDT
                     Not necessarily - (tseliot) - (7) - June 22, 2003, 08:00:54 PM EDT
                         From the viewpoint of "God is Without Limit" . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 22, 2003, 09:18:43 PM EDT
                             I think I made it clear earlier in this thread... - (tseliot) - June 23, 2003, 01:53:20 AM EDT
                         To speak of Reality! - (Ashton) - (4) - June 22, 2003, 10:02:51 PM EDT
                             G_d exists, we see or dont see in different ways - (boxley) - (1) - June 22, 2003, 10:17:09 PM EDT
                                 If you Could 'describe' - (Ashton) - June 22, 2003, 11:15:00 PM EDT
                             And once again, you're doing the very thing you rail against -NT - (tseliot) - (1) - June 23, 2003, 01:42:38 AM EDT
                                 Heh.. only if you imagine - (Ashton) - June 23, 2003, 04:01:35 PM EDT
                     I may notice, or I may notice something different - (ben_tilly) - (2) - June 22, 2003, 08:27:28 PM EDT
                         Unless you look at the smallest viable unit. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 22, 2003, 09:02:00 PM EDT
                             The smallest viable unit is smaller than that... - (ben_tilly) - June 22, 2003, 10:24:19 PM EDT
             'No-Thing-ness' - (Ashton) - (1) - June 22, 2003, 09:34:29 PM EDT
                 Exactly - (deSitter) - June 23, 2003, 09:17:36 PM EDT
             God is hard to define - (orion) - (2) - June 22, 2003, 09:47:32 PM EDT
                 Re: God is hard to define - umm Really ?? - (Ashton) - (1) - June 22, 2003, 10:21:01 PM EDT
                     Shine the light of truth, brother! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 22, 2003, 10:36:51 PM EDT

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