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A partially potent God is just another celebrity.

Understanding that no one can tell anyone about God, I would respectfully submit that a "partially potent God" is a bad reading. My God is an experimenter, sort of a keenly interested observer. To see what I mean, consider a coin toss (and for simplicity, throw out the miniscule probablity that during a fair coin flip the coin lands on its edge). We toss a coin and know with certainty that the coin will rest either heads up or tails up. But we cannot know, with certainty, which will be the case on any given coin toss. I don't see that this limits our omniscience. We do, in fact, know all the possible outcomes of the experiment. We can even predict with reasonable certainty the outcome of a large number of these experiments. The fact that we cannot predict the outcome of a single coin flip, in my view, doesn't diminish our "power".

Indeed, if one accepts God as a creator of the Universe, it would be a trifling thing if in such a Universe were created in which there was no possibility of the outcome of any event being unknown before it occured. That would be easy given omnipotence and omnipresence. It would, in short, not be a miracle to construct such a Universe. But now consider an omnipotent and omnipresent God who manages to create an entire Universe modeled on my coin toss example, where all possible outcomes are know, but in any given light cone, the specific outcome cannot be predicted. Keep in mind that the creator of the experiment is omnipotent and omnipresent. Imho, that is a miraculous construction.

Of course, YMMV and none of this has any meaning to you. ;-)
bcnu,
Mikem

The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.

- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
New Well said; hadn't thought about that before.

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
     Must we...? - (tseliot) - (33)
         Re: Must we...? - (deSitter) - (5)
             Nice try. - (tseliot) - (2)
                 Hmm. A couple of passages. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                     Always a "yes, but" :) - (tseliot)
             Sorry, I've got to. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                 Well said; hadn't thought about that before. -NT - (tseliot)
         here's a take from about 45 years ago - (rcareaga)
         Omnipotent with a twisted sense of humor -NT - (boxley)
         An interesting synchronicity with your sig. - (Ashton) - (1)
             Meh. Narrow is the way. -NT - (tseliot)
         Yank chain . . . big noise! - (Andrew Grygus) - (22)
             Did Tommy really write that? And you're quoting Pete. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 Re: Did Tommy really write that? And you're quoting Pete. - (Andrew Grygus)
             Synchronicity... - (admin) - (1)
                 Betcha - (Ashton)
             Question: - (tseliot) - (12)
                 Evidence? I thought we were discussing religion. - (Andrew Grygus) - (11)
                     Not necessarily - (tseliot) - (7)
                         From the viewpoint of "God is Without Limit" . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                             I think I made it clear earlier in this thread... - (tseliot)
                         To speak of Reality! - (Ashton) - (4)
                             G_d exists, we see or dont see in different ways - (boxley) - (1)
                                 If you Could 'describe' - (Ashton)
                             And once again, you're doing the very thing you rail against -NT - (tseliot) - (1)
                                 Heh.. only if you imagine - (Ashton)
                     I may notice, or I may notice something different - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                         Unless you look at the smallest viable unit. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                             The smallest viable unit is smaller than that... - (ben_tilly)
             'No-Thing-ness' - (Ashton) - (1)
                 Exactly - (deSitter)
             God is hard to define - (orion) - (2)
                 Re: God is hard to define - umm Really ?? - (Ashton) - (1)
                     Shine the light of truth, brother! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)

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