Post #106,419
6/18/03 6:47:12 AM
6/18/03 2:15:07 PM
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Sen. Hatch wants to start a new war
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6241-2003Jun17.html|Sighted Computer Sank Same]
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June 18, 2003, 02:15:07 PM EDT
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Post #106,424
6/18/03 8:13:58 AM
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till the first time some riaa goons
kick his door down and sledgehammer his computer because he opened some spam email. thanx, bill
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Post #106,425
6/18/03 8:18:44 AM
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Sledgehammer . . .
Isn't that the latest M$ virus?
sledgehammer his computer because he opened some spam email
When they took the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the Fifth Amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent. When they took the Second Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the First Amendment, and I can't say anything about it.
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Post #106,435
6/18/03 10:48:56 AM
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Looks like the fine Senator should be getting some email.
I don't think the community will sit on this quietly. Nor should they.
So now...if I download Pink Floyd - Money from Kazaa...Hatch wants to be able to break a 2000 asset of mine...even though I've paid for access to that copywritten material 6 times.
Doesn't seem grounded in reality...does it?
Wonder if he supports modifying tape decks to self-destruct if I borrow a copy of a Jethro Tull cd and make a cassette recording of it?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #106,445
6/18/03 1:34:56 PM
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Like this.
I am extremely concerned with your quoted position on methods of controlling copyrighted information.
The following appeared in at washingtonpost.com on June 17, 2003.
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"If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions, he said.
"There's no excuse for anyone violating copyright laws," Hatch said.
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As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, your opinion on these matters carries more weight than many others and I find its naivet\ufffd disturbing from a man in your position.
What your position would require is the granting of exemptions in anti-hacking laws, severe violations of privacy and the development of entirely new software that would never be able to remain "secret". This software could easily then become the payload of a new generation of computer virus. Imagine a computer virus with the virility of "Code Red" that had a destructive payload of the type you espouse in the above quote.
In addition, it appears that the RIAA has also convinced you that music piracy has caused the downfall of their industry, costing them billions of dollars. For this I will give my personal opinion.
I have purchased, in my life, over three thousand copyrighted works in the form of vinyl LPs, compact discs and cassette tapes. Between the three, my collection is quite extensive. I have now gone into an almost complete boycott of the major recording labels for several reasons, which follow:
1) Prices - The cost of a new cd has reached nearly $18. It is common knowledge that the medium that it is printed on costs less than $.05. It is also common knowledge that most artists receive sometimes substantially less than $.25 per copy sold. The rest goes into the pockets of the recording industry executives. Cost of studio time and promotion is given as the reason for the remaining costs, costs that are ultimately controlled by the label and overstated to everyone involved.
Dan Rather interviewed the Dixie Chicks, one of the best selling acts in history. Following is a published excerpt:
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"Rather estimates that 17 million CDs sold at roughly $14 a throw comes to well over $200 million.
"You're depressing me, because we see so little of that," Robison says, laughing.
"Even before we got our deal, everyone said, 'Don't ever expect to make money with records. Records are a promotional tool that you use to be able to do live shows and make money elsewhere.'"
The hard truth of the music business is that selling a million records, or even 17 million, doesn't make you a millionaire. Distributors, record stores, lawyers, accountants, agents, managers - and, of course, the record company - all get a percentage.
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Jokingly, they referred to their lack of money in their existing Sony deal while Sony made multi-million dollar renovations to their offices in Nashville.
2) Technology Position - File sharing and peer to peer systems have amazing potential for good as well as detrimental use. In the end, the stated position of the RIAA is counterproductive to this technological advancement. Their money has been used to destroy this technology. The stated position of the US Judiciary in the Betamax case also runs counter to the RIAA's position and holds harmless the creator of the technology in favor of persecution of the individual violator. It also established several Fair Use doctrines that are now being trampled both by the RIAA and the DMCA.
The recording industry should be using this technological advancement to their benefit. For several years, many others and I have had the capability of receiving music via the internet, bypassing a very expensive distribution network. The industry should be using that to their advantage. This would allow them to better compensate artists and to search out new talent. Instead, they manufacture artists and continue to enslave those artists by paying them, in essence, nothing for control over their artistic creations. Most industry has been forced to utilize technology in order to survive in the new economy, why should the recording industry be any different.
A perfect example of the public's acceptance and desire for this new method of delivery is available right now, Apple Computer's new iTunes Music Store. Millions of songs sold in a very short period of time.
3) Customer Viewpoint - I have a high-speed Internet connection and a copy of a file-sharing program on my personal computer. Instead of being viewed as a customer, I am now viewed as a thief. Not exactly a company I want to supply with my hard earned dollar.
I have used, in the past, Napster and more recently Kazaa. The vast majority of that use has been to download music that I already own in another form, either on CD or vinyl LP. I could have created digital copies of these and been well within my rights under Fair Use. Does the fact that I received these copies from another purchaser of the copyright really violate that same Fair Use doctrine? I didn't steal anything. I had already paid for the right to listen to those songs at my leisure.
In other instances, I have downloaded music and later purchased the same music in CD form. The RIAA would lead you to believe that the music I originally downloaded was a "perfect digital copy". This is completely untrue. Any audiophile will tell you that the compression algorithms used to encode music lessen the quality of the copy, making these copies actually inferior to even a cassette tape copy.
College students have >always< copied music. If the kid in the dorm room bought a brand new album, the other kids on the floor bought a blank cassette. The behavior is no different, only the technology applied. Yet the RIAA would have you believe that this is some new phenomenon. Yet, if memory serves me correct, the industry already receives royalties from all manufactures of copy mediums.
In closing, I implore you to reassess your position on this matter. With the recent victory allowing the industry to acquire the identity of known file traders, the industry has all the tools it needs to battle the situation the way it need be battled, on a case-by-case basis; not by destroying someone\ufffds personal property but instead by a legal case being made, actual harm determined and a Judge or jury assessing the value of that harm and applying the appropriate punishment.
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Post #106,447
6/18/03 2:03:51 PM
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This one is artistry.
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Post #106,451
6/18/03 2:47:07 PM
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*blush*
sent it in via his website.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #106,468
6/18/03 5:20:25 PM
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Nice!___Stiletto in C# Minor at \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd
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Post #106,623
6/19/03 9:30:46 PM
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Should also have told Hatch about his site.
[link|http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Students.Utah|Official Hatch site].
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Post #106,630
6/19/03 11:23:57 PM
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Didn't know about that at the time.
Or would have mentioned it as an example of how easy it is to unwittingly end up with something on a computer.
No matter...I was intent on getting something out to him...still no response....not even a "thank you for your interest" canned reply.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #106,656
6/20/03 9:25:51 AM
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Somebody must've told him ... it's gone
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Post #106,444
6/18/03 1:30:42 PM
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Open challenge to Senator Bigmouth
Dear LorrinOrrin-
I am not a "cracker", nor do I currently possess any of the skills that would be considered "cracker" skills. Furthermore, I do not download music from the various peer-to-peer networks that appear to be the current bane of your existance. I am, however, a highly skilled and experienced software engineer. I also own computers that are, from time to time, connected to the Internet.
Since, in your ignorance and need for media attention, you have threatened me with "destruction" of a personal asset and tool that I use daily in pursuit of my lawful vocation and livelyhood, let me state for the record that: Should I, or any of my associates, find that said assets and/or tools have been compromised in any way due to actions taken by you to foment such compromise, I shall acquire those "cracker" skills I current lack, and serially and mercilessly apply these new skills to those who would be responsible for such "destruction".
You want a war? Be careful what you ask for, Senator...you might get it.
(And you don't want to fuck with a pissed-off engineer.)
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Post #106,574
6/19/03 3:50:38 PM
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All I would do is sue them
if they destroyed my hard drive because they thought I had some copyrighted songs on my system. How can they tell what is legit and what is not anyway? Maybe I bought the CD and ripped the songs into MP3 format? Maybe I bought the MP3 from a music web store?
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Post #106,591
6/19/03 5:54:50 PM
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Who's "them"?
How would you know who to sue...after all, your machine is "destroyed" (quite possibly physically). Whatever evidence of the attack that might have been left behind is gone, or at least unaccessible.
And what would be your basis? Assuming (and it is a BIG assumption) that you could actually track down who was responsible, the suit would be deemed to be without merit, for lack of basis, as the "destruction" would be legal if Senator Fuckwit has his way.
jb4 "We continue to live in a world where all our know-how is locked into binary files in an unknown format. If our documents are our corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's." Simon Phipps, SUN Microsystems
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Post #106,602
6/19/03 7:34:19 PM
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Re: Who's "them"?
How thorough would the destruction be? Can recovery tools be used to recover logs?
If the destruction was complete, there will be no evidence that pirated files were on the computer even if they did exist or not. Also what about false positives?
You should be able to go to the ISP and get a log of the last IP packets sent to the machine before the destruction of the data and trace the IP back to the sender.
But you will know who is responsible because they are supposed to warn you first before they do something like that.
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Post #106,665
6/20/03 10:38:45 AM
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Heh...you put too much faith...
...in the magnanomosity[sic?] of these vermin. What was the line from one of our members' sigs?: "Man never does anything so gleefully that in the name of Religion"...or something like that. To actually expect such vermin to follow the rules is to truly view the world through rose colored glasses.
And what makes you think that an ISP would give you "a log of the last IP packets sent to the machine before the destruction" anyway? Don't you think that the law enabling such destruction would be written to 1) indemnify anybody delivering the payload, including ISPs and 2) prohibit the deliverers from identifying the source of the payload.
It's the 21st century, Norm. Please try to catch up....
jb4 "We continue to live in a world where all our know-how is locked into binary files in an unknown format. If our documents are our corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's." Simon Phipps, SUN Microsystems
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Post #106,579
6/19/03 4:08:13 PM
6/19/03 4:09:01 PM
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Practice what you preach Senator Hatch!
[link|http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html|http://www.wired.com...283,59305,00.html]
Turns out he had some pirated files on his computer that runs his website. A Javascript menu that he did not pay for or properly license.
I wonder what is on his personal computer? :)
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June 19, 2003, 04:09:01 PM EDT
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Post #106,678
6/20/03 11:29:08 AM
6/20/03 11:30:04 AM
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Ignore, Norm covered it
[link|http://wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html|http://wired.com/new...283,59305,00.html] Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) suggested Tuesday that people who download copyright materials from the Internet should have their computers automatically destroyed. But Hatch himself is using unlicensed software on his official website, which presumably would qualify his computer to be smoked by the system he proposes. The senator's site makes extensive use of a JavaScript menu system developed by Milonic Solutions, a software company based in the United Kingdom. The copyright-protected code has not been licensed for use on Hatch's website. "It's an unlicensed copy," said Andy Woolley, who runs Milonic. "It's very unfortunate for him because of those comments he made." thanx, bill
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June 20, 2003, 11:30:04 AM EDT
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