Post #104,527
6/2/03 12:49:13 PM
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C'mon BeeP, you actually believe that?
I seem to recall a certain state's rights issue about 2 1/2 years ago that you were foursquare in favor of "just pound[ing] everybody with the federal governments power to walk in and say "who gives a shit whats yours and what you want to do with it...we say its ours...so tough!"
So why is this different now? Is it just that this issue falls on the other side of the noecon boundary, while that old issue 2 1/2 years ago fell on "your" side? Hmmm? Could it be? Huuh? Huuh?
A little less transparency would be refreshing, here.
jb4
"We continue to live in a world where all our know-how is locked into binary files in an unknown format. If our documents are our corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's."
Simon Phipps, SUN Microsystems
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Post #104,544
6/2/03 2:15:15 PM
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As long as its not...
...your "wilderness" that gets stolen.
This one is pretty straighforward. The fact is that Clinton >stole< a sizeable percentage of Utah from the people of that state. Utah wanted it back and got it.
Consult with Utah about designating a portion, come to an agreement with the state and I will support its designation as a wilderness area.
If at a later time the state wants to remove that designation on any part of that land, it should be their right to do so. Same situation as you argue state versus local. Local should trump state.
And I think you are trying to equate standard setting with outright control with your comment about which side of the "neocon" issue this is. My view is alot closer to Harry Browne here.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #104,552
6/2/03 2:56:58 PM
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"Local should trump state"
except if it it an election that the Repos can stealtake with Federal help.
Then, its a different story, isn't it?
jb4
"We continue to live in a world where all our know-how is locked into binary files in an unknown format. If our documents are our corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's."
Simon Phipps, SUN Microsystems
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Post #104,559
6/2/03 4:27:25 PM
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Think we've been through that.
Fed decision was bad...but the state ordered counts would've ended with the same results.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #104,567
6/2/03 5:53:17 PM
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That's not the point.
The point is: State's Rights are good, except...
...when I don't like the outcome. (For various values of 'I', like, for example, certain Repos, neoCons and assorted Supreme Court justices with an agenda.)
jb4
"We continue to live in a world where all our know-how is locked into binary files in an unknown format. If our documents are our corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's."
Simon Phipps, SUN Microsystems
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Post #104,569
6/2/03 5:55:32 PM
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I know it isn't
But I didn't support the SC decision. Thought it set a bad precedent.
I just got very tired of hearing everyone say that it had an effect on the outcome...which it didn't.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #104,609
6/3/03 3:55:27 AM
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Had a profound impact on outcome
If a single Republican member of the court had a shred respect for the rule of law or the concept of a federation of States or judicial conservatism, or pretty much any of the values they touted during their selection processes, Bush would be a legitimate President.
The fact that Gore would have lost anyway (due to his failure to request enough recounts, not due to the actual votes cast) no more clears the kingmakers than an autopsy revealing that the victim was about to die of natural causes absolves a murderer.
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Post #104,614
6/3/03 7:13:29 AM
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Not on the outcome...on the precedent set.
The action was more akin to Dr Jack. Otherwise I'm ok with your assessment.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #104,632
6/3/03 11:35:43 AM
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Dr. Jack if he claimed to be pro-life.
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