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New Can I quote this thread?
I'd like to take the tips/tricks/best practice suggestions from this thread and compile them into a handout for my students.

If you've replied already or are planning to reply to this thread, please let me know if you'd rather I not use your remarks.

I'll edit a bit to eliminate off-topic, non-technical points and if you wish, I can post the compilation for approval here.

I'm pushing to have our programming curriculum include more real-world best practice topics and this would be a great start. My program director agrees with me and now it's a matter of selling it to the other faculty and the students.

Tom Sinclair

"Man, I love it when the complete absence of a plan comes together."
- [link|http://radio.weblogs.com/0104634/|Ernie the Attorney]
New Even better:
Compose your compilation, and post it on [link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY]. :-)

But yes, you have my permission. The more people using testing, the better.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New No, you can't use my comments
After all, it's not like I posted them to a publicly accessible place or anything. Oh wait ...









































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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New Thanks!
I'll see what I can put together this weekend.

Tom Sinclair

"Man, I love it when the complete absence of a plan comes together."
- [link|http://radio.weblogs.com/0104634/|Ernie the Attorney]
New A TDD Example
tjsinclair: I'd like to take the tips/tricks/best practice suggestions from this thread and compile them into a handout for my students.

If you are interested, I have a laboriously detailed account of a pair programming session at one of our XP user group meetings. Lots of test-first design examples and some refactorings are given. Feel free to use whatever you need.

Here's the URL: [link|http://w3.one.net/~jweirich/talks/tdddemo/index.html|http://w3.one.net/~j...dddemo/index.html]

(Note: that URL should be good until mid month when my ISP upgrades me from 100 Megabytes to 5 Megabytes of web storage. Needless to say, I'm working on getting a new site, but it won't be ready for a week or two).
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-- Jim Weirich jweirich@one.net [link|http://w3.one.net/~jweirich|http://w3.one.net/~jweirich]
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"Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct,
not tried it." -- Donald Knuth (in a memo to Peter van Emde Boas)
     Cringely on Refactoring - (tjsinclair) - (41)
         He's still skirting the real issues to make his "point". - (admin) - (39)
             Good point - (tjsinclair) - (38)
                 Do I use unit tests? - (admin) - (34)
                     Apparently my question sounded dumber than it actually was - (tjsinclair) - (33)
                         Lessons to be gleaned: - (admin) - (16)
                             Great stuff! - (tjsinclair) - (2)
                                 Re: Great stuff! - (admin)
                                 C++ unit testing - sounds painful - (tuberculosis)
                             More: - (admin) - (1)
                                 Code coverage - (Simon_Jester)
                             How does JUnit (and the like) deal with web pages? - (drewk) - (5)
                                 Not really specific to PHP. - (admin) - (3)
                                     Also from that page - (drewk) - (2)
                                         HttpUnit is more useful for integration testing. - (admin)
                                         We use PHPUnit where I work. - (static)
                                 I'm experimenting with testing dynamic content ... - (JimWeirich)
                             Can I quote this thread? - (tjsinclair) - (4)
                                 Even better: - (admin) - (2)
                                     No, you can't use my comments - (drewk)
                                     Thanks! - (tjsinclair)
                                 A TDD Example - (JimWeirich)
                         Ooh, he left out the ^ - (tuberculosis) - (15)
                             That's just evil to the core. :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                 It's C++, what do you expect? -NT - (tuberculosis)
                             I would only use that if it were properly commented. -NT - (static) - (12)
                                 I'd probably never use it at all - (tuberculosis) - (11)
                                     Its a cool parlor trick... - (jb4) - (10)
                                         Not even really a C++ issue as such, is it? - (deSitter) - (9)
                                             Its a Duff Device - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                                                 Yep - it's assembler in C -NT - (deSitter) - (4)
                                                     Most ASM Languages have a SWAP instruction. -NT - (ChrisR) - (3)
                                                         Yes, not my point - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                             And my point... - (ChrisR)
                                                         SWAP? - (JimWeirich)
                                             That's ANSI C?!? - (jb4) - (2)
                                                 That's ANSI C?!? ... YES - (JimWeirich)
                                                 Re: That's ANSI C?!? - (deSitter)
                 Re: Good point - (JimWeirich) - (2)
                     Another good point - (admin) - (1)
                         Me too. - (static)
         FWIW, Squeak is undergoing a huge refactoring effort - (tuberculosis)

Too busy performing brain surgery on sick children to respond, sorry.
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