Post #95,763
4/10/03 12:57:39 PM
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That's it, I've had it
I've just spent another unproductive morning wrestling with RPM dependencies. Screw the local preference, this thing's getting Debian on it NOW.
Err, make that, "as soon as someone tells me if I have to worry about anything other than my home directory."
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Post #95,787
4/10/03 1:51:34 PM
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Bye bye, 168 days uptime, bye bye RedHat
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Post #95,942
4/10/03 11:22:30 PM
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Keep notes, Drew.
I may be tempted to do the same with my RH8 system. I keep getting emails from Red Hat with errata alerts, but given my "demo user" (i.e. freeloader) status, "up2date" gets rejected due to the "heavy load" on the RH server. It could be other freeloaders are downloading RH9 now.
It'd hard to justify being indignant, but that doesn't stop me. :)
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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Post #95,980
4/11/03 8:45:56 AM
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Well, you wouldn't want to follow the current procedure
I did the Knoppix install first, completely wiping the hard drive, so there's no particular insight for moving from RedHat. Then after getting it on there, I decided I didn't want to try to strip out everything and the kitchen sink that Knoppix has in it. So I'm currently in the process of starting over with a straight Debian install from boot floppies. But I'll post anything interesting I learn anyway.
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Post #96,060
4/11/03 12:56:20 PM
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You can always serve as a useful purpose to the world as...
...an example of what not to do. --\r\n
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
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Post #96,062
4/11/03 1:04:41 PM
4/11/03 1:05:07 PM
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Seeming more true by the minute
The net install wasn't working, the coworker with the full install disks isn't in today, and I just finished trying to reinstall Knoppix for the second time and it's still failing. Gets to 'LVM version 1.0.5+(22/07/2002) module loaded' then it just sits there. About to try again.
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Edited by drewk
April 11, 2003, 01:05:07 PM EDT
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Post #95,797
4/10/03 2:14:14 PM
4/10/03 2:15:03 PM
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Hey try my Idea.... shown:
[link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=95033|Tricky Idea]
You might just NOT have to deal with it!
Worst that can happen is you have to "install" debian... be a learning Experience if you can get it!!!!
b4k4^2
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Post #95,807
4/10/03 2:34:34 PM
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Used your other one: installed from Knoppix
I'm posting from it now. Now I just have to get it to use Gnome ...
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Post #95,823
4/10/03 3:05:58 PM
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Man, there's a lot to prune
Knoppix dumps an absolute boatload of apps on the hard drive. I guess that's what it needs for the demo, but now I have to go through and clean it up.
Posting this from lynx while I'm busy purging KDE in another tty.
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Post #95,852
4/10/03 4:21:45 PM
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Re: Man, there's a lot to prune
Coupla things.
Firstly, you can kill KDE dead with "apt-get remove libqt4". Nobbling GNOME is likewise a matter of zapping GTK.
Secondly, get debfoster and orphaner going NOW.
debfoster presents you with a list of packages that nothing depends on, and asks you if you want to keep them - if you Prune them, all the deps go, too.
orphaner shows you packages that are not depended on by anything - by default, it only shows you libs, but will show you ALL packages that are non-depended-upon if you supply the "-a" switch. orphaner is provided by the "deborphan" package.
Peter
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Post #95,863
4/10/03 4:51:35 PM
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What exactly is the difference?
They both seem to provide lists of things that nothing depends on. How are they different?
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Post #95,866
4/10/03 4:55:22 PM
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Re: What exactly is the difference?
orphaner makes you pick individual packages to uninstall.
debfoster is the tactical nuke of package removal - with a couple of keystrokes, you can blat enormous amounts of software from your system.
Peter
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Post #95,867
4/10/03 4:56:38 PM
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OK
So orphaner finds things that are already unused, foster allows you to remove a package and everything that is only used by it. Got it.
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Post #95,870
4/10/03 4:59:41 PM
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Why does it keep generating locales?
This is the step that keeps taking so long, and it does it after every action I take with apt.
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Post #95,871
4/10/03 5:00:01 PM
4/10/03 5:00:42 PM
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Oops, dupe
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Edited by drewk
April 10, 2003, 05:00:42 PM EDT
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Post #96,518
4/14/03 1:06:49 PM
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Another method
Do a fresh Knoppix hd install. Do apt-get upgrade, anser no, and view the list of how many things are going to be updated. Then apt-get remove foo fo2 foo3 foo4 ... fooN of everything you don't want. At least I'm avoiding downloading 280M of updates to (mostly) things I don't want anyway. Then use debfoster and orphaner (which BTW come with Knoppix by default).
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Post #96,381
4/13/03 4:23:47 PM
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Keep an eye on /var
It's where Debian stores the kitchen sink (and the package cache, your databases, etc...). Other distros didn't put nearly as much in there, so you can run short of space here if you convert from RH without repartitioning (or reassigning partitions).
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Post #96,386
4/13/03 4:58:27 PM
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/var sizing on Debian: ~1GB
Gives you a fairly comfortable margin. I'm using 55% on a pretty fresh install. If you're packing a lot of stuff (databases, etc.) into /var, either give more room, or mount additional filesystems there. Probably RAID and/or striped. --\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
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Post #96,452
4/14/03 8:20:57 AM
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1G for /var? hahahahaha
This is a 4-year-old (at least) system with a total HD of IIRC 3.2G. Ain't no way system catalogs should take 1/3 of that. BTW I've now given up on stripping the Knoppix HD install down to what I like. Every time I try something else breaks. I'm not surprised that, to get such a phenomenal system booting from a CD, they had to change so much, but I would question whether you can even call what's left a real Debian system any more. When I can't do apt-get install gdm without breaking it ... Oh, and don't get me started on the whole locales issue. Bottom line, lessons learned: - If you're going to install Knoppix, and plan to be able to keep the system updated, start from the most recent version.
- If you actually know what you want on your system, you're better off not installing Knoppix.
- If you have a preference for Gnome or KDE, it's better to know that when you install the system. And use an install method that gives you the appropriate option.
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