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New Reminds me of the Duma.
Can the current system be reformed from within? I think that's the base question. Answer "No" and one might/must support another Nader run. Answer "Yes" and Nader is to be condemned.

It is an important question and one I have not given enough thought to. However, recent events (USSC appointment, Gestapo OHS implementation, suspension of the Bill of Rigths, etc.) are pushing me ever closer to answer the above question "No". That said, I have no illusions about Nader's delusions of grandeur. My point is simply that through his actions he may be underscoring an argument he, himself, hasn't even thought about.
bcnu,
Mikem

Osama bin Laden's brother could fly in US airspace 9/15/01, but I had to wait for FBI and CIA background checks, 'nuff said?
New Discouraging LRPD -____ RESISTANCE IS USELESS!
As to reform.. during and since Vietnam, it has been repeatedly demonstrated (often by 'decoy' sign-up tables at malls, and the like) that many.. most? Muricans are ignorant of even the Bill of Rights (or where that might be found), let alone the rest of the basic Documents.

Further, when faced with verbatim excerpts - no recognition is kindled and often the same old cant from my Gramma's mindset manifests - sounds Commie to me..

To whatever extent the above would fare in a genuine plebiscite: Muricans cannot be troubled to govern themselves -- though the same offending group of ignoramuses will Rush to support our imposing some cockamamie idea of Muricanism -- on anyone else out there, weak enough to be prey to Corp aims. All it needs is juvenile spin. We are a nation of Babbitts, apparently - uqick to anger / misunderstand; even quicker to close (rather infrequently-used) minds. And sanctimony is our largest attitudinal export.

Reform? *THAT* requires interest, basic knowledge, tenacity and Purpose, not to mention eptness about human foibles.. enroute. (And a facility for puncturing Red Herrings sure to be floated in opposition) - In a word or two, it demands basic competence in ethics and civics.

See where I'm going re the chances ?


Ashton
     Nader in denial - (rcareaga) - (15)
         Wow, hadn't thought of that - (deSitter) - (1)
             Yah...sure... - (bepatient)
         Respectfully disagree. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
             Re: Respectfully disagree. - (rcareaga) - (6)
                 Reminds me of the Duma. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                     Discouraging LRPD -____ RESISTANCE IS USELESS! - (Ashton)
                 Correct - (deSitter) - (3)
                     I don't think so. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                         Re: I don't think so. - (rcareaga) - (1)
                             Hard to claim Nader responsible, imo. - (mmoffitt)
         Gore -- A Moron? - (andread) - (4)
             All Gore had to do... - (inthane-chan)
             All gore had to do was pick an acceptable VP that was the - (boxley) - (2)
                 What, you have a problem with Joe L's faith / race, BOx...? - (CRConrad) - (1)
                     faith and race is fine, his politics suxed donkey dicks - (boxley)

I'm trying to figure out what the proportion of "friendliness" to "menace" is in that post.
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