Re: Do you understand what you are saying?

Post #89,829 by johnu 3/20/03 3:41:27 PM Reply	Re: Do you understand what you are saying? Read the links. - The US will help Iraq setup a democratic government. - A democracy will be a destabilizing force in a middle east filled with authoritarion regimes - With the encouragement of the US, democracy will spread throught the middle east Could it happen? Who knows. But it's sure worth a try. Regards, John Urberg
Post #89,830 by Simon_Jester 3/20/03 3:54:12 PM Reply	If we're trying to promote Democracy... how do you explain this administration support for Turkey to invade the Kurdish (democratic) regions of Iraq?
Post #89,833 by deSitter 3/20/03 4:19:40 PM Reply	Re: Do you understand what you are saying? WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. -TJ Could it happen? Who knows. But it's sure worth a try. -drl
Post #89,866 by dmarker 3/20/03 5:48:10 PM 3/20/03 5:50:48 PM Reply	That was a 'Strike' - powerful point !!! I read John U as being sincere but falling for the mistake of believing Bush & admin are genuine re spreading democracy. John, you are on the right track but what Bush & admin are achieving is ensuring a happy world for US, not really a happy world for others. Ask yourself what happens to people who feel they are second class and powerless. Why (for example) would Arabs feel happy if they see their world controlled and influenced by an alien culture that many of them do not like. It may be hard to grasp just how much other peoples of the world look down on the 'Rock-Coke-Burger' Gen-X indulgence. Where did Ossama Bin Laden really come from - was he simply a born murderer who loves killing Americans or is he symptomatic of a people who resent having their destiny controlled by a power they don't like and don't respect. OBL is just the begining of US's worst nightmare in terms of hostile suicide jihadists. Cheers Doug Marker Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003 Edited by dmarker March 20, 2003, 05:50:48 PM EST Expand All History
Post #89,845 by Brandioch 3/20/03 4:43:58 PM Reply	A Democratic Afghanistan would serve as well. Yet we STILL haven't managed that. And Bush FORGOT to include funding in the budget. How do you explain that it is "worth a shot" when our LAST attempt in the area is STILL a disaster? Rather than risk TWO such disasters, the BETTER risk would be to bring Democracy to Afghanistan.
Post #89,864 by jake123 3/20/03 5:46:44 PM Reply	Trying is good They should perhaps consider trying in some of the places a little closer to home where they've been supporting authoritarian regimes for decades. They might also want to take a more serious try at Afghanistan, where they said the same thing, but have yet to actually do much other than protect the government in Kabul from being murdered by their own citizens. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #91,404 by jb4 3/25/03 1:24:29 PM Reply	Re: Trying is good They should perhaps consider trying in some of the places a little closer to home where they've been supporting authoritarian regimes for decades. Yeah...like Florida! jb4 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." Rich Cook

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