Post #86,947
3/9/03 7:25:39 PM
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The US was in charge of world diplomacy in the 19th century?
I didn't know that.
In fact, I still don't know that. Because it ain't so. Even Teddy Roosevelt didn't have that much power. You must get your history books from either Scholastic Publishing or planet Brandioch. Or maybe the Left Book Club.
You gotta quit smoking that weed before you've lost too many brain cells to type.
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Post #86,951
3/9/03 7:57:41 PM
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It's called "reading with comprehension".
:D
Marlowe will ALWAYS respond when he thinks he's found something wrong.
No, in the 19th century, we did not have the UN.
Countries formed alliances by threats, purchases, marriages, whatever.
Your friend in one battle would be your enemy in the next.
Do some research about why the League of Nations was formed and how it became the UN.
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Post #87,003
3/10/03 3:47:11 AM
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Has the UN made things better?
How many wars have occurred since the UN was established? The fact that another World War did not break out had nothing to do with the UN, it didn't happen because of the balance of power and MAD. Do countries not form alliances today by threats, etc.? A few examples. The US was Iraq's ally in the 1980's it's enemy in the 1990's, the mujaheedeen were the US's ally against the USSR in the 1980's and then became enemy number 1 as the Taliban after Sept. 11. Egypt in the 1960's was a Soviet ally, in the 1970's Egypt switched sides to the US. India was aligned with the USSR during the cold war, now it is a friend of the US. I could go on forever, the point is obvious. What exactly has the UN changed? How is this different then the scenarios that you mentioned from the 19th century? The fact is, the major powers like the US, Russia, etc. do whatever they want, secure in the knowledge that they can veto any resolution against them. This is progress?
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Post #87,145
3/10/03 5:56:35 PM
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It was meant to be toothless.
But it is still having an effect.
Yes, there have been wars since.
But Bush is having to justify his invasion plans to the rest of the world.
The UN won't stop any country from doing whatever it wants.
But community opinion does have some bearing.
While the US can veto any resolution it does not like, that does not mean it can pass any resolution it wants.
Diplomacy instead of war.
Even if it has to start only between the nations who can veto your resolution.
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Post #87,147
3/10/03 6:04:29 PM
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Yes.
Literacy programs, international standards (which body do you think sets the standards that permit the phone systems of many different countries interoperate?), UNICEF, WHO, etc... \r\n\r\n Yes, it has made things better. The security council is only a small part of what the UN does. --\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca *\r\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca] [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\r\n* Kingston Ontario Canada [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post #87,188
3/10/03 10:12:04 PM
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Also, the Korean conflict in the 1950's.
The Soviet Union learned never to skip a Security Council meeting.
On the other hand the UN created the pariah of the Middle East - Israel. This was perhaps the civilized world's biggest blunder since the appeasement of Hitler by Neville Chamberlain.
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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Post #87,195
3/10/03 10:45:24 PM
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aww, think they should all go back to Germany and Poland?
wihout Hitler there wouldnt be an Israel. Think about it. Its there. You will have to kill them all man, woman, child to undo it. Good luck.
thanx.
bill
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Post #87,199
3/10/03 10:53:27 PM
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Not need to undo, just civilize them.
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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Post #87,201
3/10/03 10:55:14 PM
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make them share pig ranches with the palestinians
and ship the bacon here. That should get them to bond fast enough and help the environment in NC :-).
thanx,
bill
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Post #87,202
3/10/03 10:56:56 PM
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That works for me! :)
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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Post #87,224
3/11/03 2:34:52 AM
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Maybe you need to be civilized
For you to claim that Israel is the world's biggest problem these days is joke. How many people were killed in Rwanda in the 1990's, millions. How many people were killed in the Iran Iraq war.
According to you were the Taliban more civilized then Israel? Saudia Arabia? Iraq? China? The Soveit Union under Stalin?
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Post #87,517
3/11/03 11:05:23 PM
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Nice list.
Israel is ethnic cleansing and killing off Palestinians in slow motion while the threat of nukes keeps fellow Arabs at bay. This is why I say it is the pariah of the Middle East. Immoral, uncivilized behavior!
And you wonder why the neighbors hate you? And a perpetual source of instability.
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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Post #87,545
3/12/03 2:56:07 AM
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When did the Arabs not hate the Jews???
In 1929, the Arabs massacred the Jewish population of Hebron who had been living there for hundreds if not thousands of years, in 1936 there were Arab riots all over killing Jews. In the 1940's the Mufti of Jerusalem and many other Arabs openly supported Hitler. All of this well before the establishment of a Jewish state. In 1967, it wasn't the Jews saying "throw them in the sea".
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Post #87,581
3/12/03 9:03:01 AM
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old saying "A pig may eat a Jew, A Jew cannot eat a pig"
It doesnt matter how many Jews Die as long as they dont fight back. Then it is the most horrible thing in the world. An example would be in the US when the black panthers formed. Whitey with the thought of armed black men guarding their own neighborhoods panicked and started anti-gun legislation in California.
thanx,
bill
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Post #87,231
3/11/03 3:11:29 AM
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The Korean War is a UN success?
Not in my book, the result of the Korean war was an armistice with a Stalinist regime who starves it's own people to buy weapons, which to this day is threatening world peace.
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Post #87,594
3/12/03 9:40:20 AM
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Ask the South Koreans if it was a success.
That was not a war of liberation, it was to make an invasion fail. Perhaps such a UN move would work in Palestine as well.
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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Post #87,197
3/10/03 10:47:10 PM
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3 wds - Cuban Missle Crisis
Anyone who can't see that the UN helped save the world in this case, is an idiot.
-drl
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Post #87,200
3/10/03 10:53:42 PM
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not hardly
kennedy rolled on his back waving surrender faster than a 5 dollar crack whore.
thanx,
bill
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