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Locked cockpit door...

How long would the pilot hold out while the hijacker(s) executed the passengers, one by one, starting with children...?

Burly bouncers ...

Same as above, plus would they be willing to serve passengers? Or are they just "overhead".

No luggage ...

Would work. NO "containers" should be allowed in the cabin. Check everything. What is NEEDED from the purse during flight? Stock femine articles in the restrooms to eliminate the need to bring their own. ID and money could be carried in a pocket.
[link|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net|Joe]
New Carry-ons
Ever travelled with a baby?

You cannot go without some sort of carryon if you have a baby.
Regards,

-scott anderson
New Guess you're right
Babies can't walk, so they'd have to be carry-on ;-)
[link|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net|Joe]
New Kidding aside...
Diapers, wipes, food, toys, extra change of clothing.

Remember the Northwest planes that sat on the runway for 8 hours?
Regards,

-scott anderson
New That's the point: put the kiddens aside
Sorry, I had to.
New Make 'em check 'em.
I've travelled *next* to a baby.

Addison
New Sounds like a great idea
But you gotta add the smiley!! :-)
[link|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net|Joe]
New Instead of locked cockpit door
a hardened wall with no access from the cockpit to the passenger cabin would be the only way of effectively securing the controls. Sure the Terrorrists would be able to threaten passengers; may even be able to talk the pilots into diverting their course through such threats; but no matter how many passengers they threaten, they couldn't make the pilots risk everybody's life by crashing into Disneyland or some such by threatening passengers though. Of course the problems with that are that they would need food storage and bathrooms attached to the cockpit, which isn't unreasonable; but the pilots wouldn't be able to get up and move around much on long flights (but that may be restricted anyway - and military pilots (non-cargo) fly under those conditions anyway). They would just need their own entry into the cockpit for ground loading.
~~~)-Steven----
     Recap of known events as of 9:50 AM Central - (Silverlock) - (97)
         My first question is: - (jb4) - (13)
             Well..... - (jbrabeck)
             It's *always* an inside job - (drewk)
             Did the Pittsburgh plane hit anything? - (SpiceWare) - (10)
                 Uncomfirmed report that it was shot down. - (Silverlock) - (6)
                     F16 shadowed plane from LAX to Washington DC also? - (brettj) - (5)
                         Just heard on radio. 4 planes still unaccounted for 10:55 am -NT - (Silverlock)
                         Cross-country flights... - (admin) - (3)
                             No accident that they were Cross-country flights - (brettj) - (2)
                                 Not according to a post below this - (drewk) - (1)
                                     Palestinians celebrating in the streets - (bluke)
                 I'd bet the pilots were dead long before any crashes -NT - (GBert) - (1)
                     The FAA received communications after one hijacking - (brettj)
                 It landed in a forested area - (brettj)
         not a good day - (cwbrenn) - (29)
             Was thinking same thing in reverse: I know who planned this! - (CRConrad) - (28)
                 Just think of Clancy as a white hat hacker. - (marlowe) - (25)
                     Level of security - (jbrabeck) - (24)
                         Some things we could do. - (marlowe) - (23)
                             You haven't been reading comp.risks. - (static) - (3)
                                 Never mind how vast it is. - (marlowe) - (2)
                                     Price tag = very high. - (static) - (1)
                                         Or alternately, do it or your liability insurance premiums.. - (marlowe)
                             sleep gas into the cabin - (boxley) - (2)
                                 Now there's an avenue to explore. - (marlowe) - (1)
                                     cheap low tech solution think stagecoach and shotgun -NT - (boxley)
                             Some concerns - (Steven A S)
                             Some different things which could be done. - (Another Scott) - (14)
                                 Reaction - (jbrabeck) - (7)
                                     Carry-ons - (admin) - (5)
                                         Guess you're right - (jbrabeck) - (2)
                                             Kidding aside... - (admin) - (1)
                                                 That's the point: put the kiddens aside -NT - (drewk)
                                         Make 'em check 'em. - (addison) - (1)
                                             Sounds like a great idea - (jbrabeck)
                                     Instead of locked cockpit door - (Steven A S)
                                 Would be simpler... - (addison) - (5)
                                     Not as effective, IMO. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                         What if cockpit door lock was controlled from ground? - (drewk) - (1)
                                             More complexity; pilot is master of the plane. - (Another Scott)
                                         More, really. - (addison) - (1)
                                             More simple - (wharris2)
                 Debt of Honor. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                     Thanks for correction... Couldn't remember which TC book! -NT - (jbrabeck)
         Crash at Camp David also - (brettj) - (16)
             Well, that pretty much pins it: Islamics or Israelis -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (8)
                 Could also be Bin Laden -NT - (Silverlock) - (5)
                     That would fall firmly under Islamics. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                         Yer right, I'm not thinking clearly today. Very upset. -NT - (Silverlock)
                         Bin Laden announced unprecedented attack 3 weeks ago - (admin)
                     Why not the Columbians? - (jbrabeck) - (1)
                         Columbians never heard of Camp David. -NT - (Andrew Grygus)
                 Didn't we get a member of one of the drug cartels in just - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                     Drug cartels don't do suicide attacks . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             Source? Haven't heard anything - (wharris2) - (4)
                 CBS or CNN, I think. - (brettj) - (3)
                     Got four planes and a car bomb right now - (wharris2) - (2)
                         Car bomb was a false alert. - (admin)
                         My wife just left our house - (drewk)
             Who reported this? - (jbrabeck)
             Pennsylvania plane - (wharris2)
         Yassir Arofat and Tony Blair offered their condolences - (brettj) - (23)
             While Palestinians dance in the streets - (wharris2) - (22)
                 That is one of my biggest fears. - (brettj) - (2)
                     Not to mention atheist fanatics. - (marlowe) - (1)
                         Fanatics in general. Good point. - (brettj)
                 Unfortunately, the only way we can gain their respect . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (18)
                     Really wish there was a way I could disagree with you -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                         So do I -NT - (Andrew Grygus)
                     Hit `em so they can't get up. - (marlowe) - (15)
                         You guys are unbelievable - (bluke) - (1)
                             It's amazing, isn't it? - (static)
                         Declaration of War - (Andrew Grygus) - (8)
                             You are advocating the commission of war crimes - (bluke) - (4)
                                 Mass destruction should be avoided . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                                     The same number of innocents... - (bluke) - (2)
                                         Good logic - (drewk) - (1)
                                             Why not? - (bluke)
                             And Americans accuse Israel of using excessive force???????? -NT - (bluke) - (2)
                                 I do not think you will find that I have . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                     Maybe not... - (bluke)
                         I seem to recall something about the "Crusades".... - (addison) - (3)
                             Yabut. - (mmoffitt)
                             Everybody remembers the Crusades - (GBert)
                             Something I might want to reconsider slightly? - (marlowe)
         Bin Laden - (admin) - (7)
             Report on NPR... - (inthane-chan) - (6)
                 CNN says bin Laadan denied responsibility - (jake123) - (3)
                     Anyone with any sense would deny it - (wharris2)
                     Oh yeah, and he'll be believed. - (admin)
                     bin Laden or Taliban denies? - (mmoffitt)
                 Probably a dozen unknown groups will claim responsibility. - (Andrew Grygus)
                 Re: Report on NPR... - (addison)
         Tower collapses - (wharris2)
         Perspective: 25-50K workers at WTC - (kmself) - (1)
             Count Vietnamese deaths in Vietnam to get a true comparison - (jake123)
         Re: Recap of known events as of 9:50 AM Central - (Arkadiy)

Yeah, let's watch the lamp. It's more fun and less predictable.
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