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New Easy for you to say
you (and I) grew up in free countries. I have spoken to people who lived in the former Soviet Union, you can't imagine what it was like. The government was everywhere, anyone you talk to could be a government agent, phones were tapped, etc. In a climate like that it is very difficult for anyone to do anything.
New Maybe you're right. But what I have to wonder about is...
how do these countries get that way in the first place? What is it about the people that they allow things to come to such a state?

I've known Russian Jews, and I've seen the haunted look in their eyes. I haven't been where they've been. I've been down that road, but not as far. I've known repression and fear, but not to that degree. I know that when confronted with the more moderate forms, there are two ways you can go: resist or submit. Both may be futile. Both lead to pain. The question becomes: which type of pain can you more easily accept?

I'll take getting beat up repeatedly over not being able to bear facing myself in the mirror. In fact, I've made that choice a few times. More recently in life, I've chosen getting fired over kissing ass or consenting to lies.

I haven't yet put my life on the line in a cool, calculating fashion. Well, actually I have risked my life on several occasions, but not in that frame of mind. Actually, my life would have been at risk either way, but I chose the more immediate hazard. I grew up in one of the less free corners of a free country, amongst people of a certain ethnicity, of which those Palestinians on TV remind me vividly. This is one American who does not take freedom and safety for granted.
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     So what's with all the shock and disbelief? - (marlowe) - (45)
         Not much shock here - (JayMehaffey)
         That's not the point - (cwbrenn) - (37)
             Maybe I'm desensitized. - (marlowe) - (36)
                 Maybe we can learn something useful from this cruelty. - (brettj) - (35)
                     Not the people in this group - (bluke) - (30)
                         Difficult to reason with some one motivated by conviction. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                             And therefore what? - (bluke) - (6)
                                 Nothing arbitrary about it - (drewk) - (4)
                                     It is not so simple - (bluke) - (3)
                                         No responsible adult is ever fully innocent. - (marlowe) - (2)
                                             Easy for you to say - (bluke) - (1)
                                                 Maybe you're right. But what I have to wonder about is... - (marlowe)
                                 I was attempting to explain the sentiment. - (mmoffitt)
                         I do not advocate use of nuclear weapons . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (21)
                             How is a nuclear weapon ever a reasonable alternative? - (bluke) - (20)
                                 You've got to stop thinking with your emotions. - (addison) - (19)
                                     So tell me ... - (bluke) - (18)
                                         Re: So tell me ... - (Steve Lowe)
                                         So you tell me... - (addison) - (11)
                                             Do you seriously believ that the US can drop a nuclear ... - (bluke) - (10)
                                                 Yes. Because *I* am not an idiot. - (addison) - (9)
                                                     Really - (bluke) - (8)
                                                         Really???? - (addison) - (7)
                                                             Lets' give 'im a break - (jbrabeck) - (4)
                                                                 And what do you know about tactical nukes??? - (bluke) - (3)
                                                                     Far more than you. - (addison) - (2)
                                                                         Of course, you are right and everyone is wrong -NT - (bluke) - (1)
                                                                             Run Away! Run Away! - (addison)
                                                             I don't think Bin Laden has his bases in the South Pacific - (marlowe) - (1)
                                                                 Just shorten that to "I don't think" and you'll be right. - (addison)
                                         War has rules? - (marlowe) - (1)
                                             It certainly does - (bluke)
                                         What does it matter where you lie when you're dead... - (marlowe) - (2)
                                             So tell me why are chemical weapons outlawed ... - (bluke) - (1)
                                                 Were you ever in the military? - (jbrabeck)
                     Not the people in this group - (bluke) - (2)
                         "Americans say"? - (wharris2) - (1)
                             Sorry - (bluke)
                     A different take - (wharris2)
         The shock... - (GBert) - (5)
             And the New Product Is... - (gdaustin) - (4)
                 I don't know what it is - (GBert) - (3)
                     What really happened... - (jbrabeck) - (1)
                         That much we know - (GBert)
                     A marketing blitz? - (marlowe)

I tried it. Little sweet explosions with disgusting texture. It was awful.
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