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Post #8,440 by static 9/11/01 7:21:41 PM Reply	You haven't been reading comp.risks. The world's air traffic control system and many of the commercial craft flying in it stay in the air and in the control of their designated pilots largely through chance. Okay, that's an exaggeration, but an commercial airliners control systems are hideously complex. New systems and add-ons are notorious for being unreliable. Not to say you have some great ideas, but implementing them would require a vaster upgrade to what is currently flying than I think you quite realized. :-) Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #8,444 by marlowe 9/11/01 7:42:21 PM Reply	Never mind how vast it is. Would it work if we did it? I don't give a flip how much fuss and bother it involves, so long as it gets the job done. It's that kind of job. You don't put a price tag on such things. Besides, a massive overhaul of a piece of our infrastructure is bound to generate jobs. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,490 by static 9/12/01 2:14:41 AM Reply	Price tag = very high. Would make air travel expensive like you've never seen before. If the airlines will go ahead and do it. They've shown considerable reluctance over the decades to do anything that provides little or no ROI. It would have to be a "do it or we void your airline license" type of situation. But it's a good idea, yes. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #8,692 by marlowe 9/12/01 5:07:17 PM Reply	Or alternately, do it or your liability insurance premiums.. will force you into bankrupty. One favorable court ruling will do the job there. Hell, somebody's gonna have to pay for all those office towers the planes keep ramming into. Who's got the deeper pockets, Bin Laden or American Airlines? And what do body bags cost in bulk these days? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]

Recap of known events as of 9:50 AM Central - (Silverlock) - (97) - Sept. 11, 2001, 10:44:06 AM EDT

My first question is: - (jb4) - (13) - Sept. 11, 2001, 10:48:43 AM EDT

Well..... - (jbrabeck) - Sept. 11, 2001, 10:58:21 AM EDT

It's *always* an inside job - (drewk) - Sept. 11, 2001, 10:59:52 AM EDT

Did the Pittsburgh plane hit anything? - (SpiceWare) - (10) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:07:49 AM EDT

Uncomfirmed report that it was shot down. - (Silverlock) - (6) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:15:46 AM EDT

F16 shadowed plane from LAX to Washington DC also? - (brettj) - (5) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:44:45 AM EDT

Just heard on radio. 4 planes still unaccounted for 10:55 am -NT - (Silverlock) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:50:21 AM EDT

Cross-country flights... - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:54:06 AM EDT

No accident that they were Cross-country flights - (brettj) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:14:19 PM EDT

Not according to a post below this - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:24:34 PM EDT

Palestinians celebrating in the streets - (bluke) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:48:14 PM EDT

I'd bet the pilots were dead long before any crashes -NT - (GBert) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:09:17 PM EDT

The FAA received communications after one hijacking - (brettj) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:30:51 PM EDT

It landed in a forested area - (brettj) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:11:27 PM EDT

not a good day - (cwbrenn) - (29) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:00:55 AM EDT

Was thinking same thing in reverse: I know who planned this! - (CRConrad) - (28) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:35:04 AM EDT

Just think of Clancy as a white hat hacker. - (marlowe) - (25) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:25:23 PM EDT

Level of security - (jbrabeck) - (24) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:53:32 PM EDT

Some things we could do. - (marlowe) - (23) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:04:35 PM EDT

You haven't been reading comp.risks. - (static) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:21:41 PM EDT

Never mind how vast it is. - (marlowe) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:42:21 PM EDT

Price tag = very high. - (static) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 02:14:41 AM EDT

Or alternately, do it or your liability insurance premiums.. - (marlowe) - Sept. 12, 2001, 05:07:17 PM EDT

sleep gas into the cabin - (boxley) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 08:00:32 PM EDT

Now there's an avenue to explore. - (marlowe) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 02:06:03 AM EDT

cheap low tech solution think stagecoach and shotgun -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 12, 2001, 08:39:30 AM EDT

Some concerns - (Steven A S) - Sept. 12, 2001, 08:58:04 AM EDT

Some different things which could be done. - (Another Scott) - (14) - Sept. 12, 2001, 10:40:56 AM EDT

Reaction - (jbrabeck) - (7) - Sept. 12, 2001, 10:53:23 AM EDT

Carry-ons - (admin) - (5) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:03:45 AM EDT

Guess you're right - (jbrabeck) - (2) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:33:55 AM EDT

Kidding aside... - (admin) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:57:38 AM EDT

That's the point: put the kiddens aside -NT - (drewk) - Sept. 12, 2001, 12:02:02 PM EDT

Make 'em check 'em. - (addison) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:38:28 AM EDT

Sounds like a great idea - (jbrabeck) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:48:35 AM EDT

Instead of locked cockpit door - (Steven A S) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:46:16 AM EDT

Would be simpler... - (addison) - (5) - Sept. 12, 2001, 05:26:03 PM EDT

Not as effective, IMO. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Sept. 12, 2001, 05:38:55 PM EDT

What if cockpit door lock was controlled from ground? - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 05:51:38 PM EDT

More complexity; pilot is master of the plane. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 12, 2001, 06:07:52 PM EDT

More, really. - (addison) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 06:48:04 PM EDT

More simple - (wharris2) - Sept. 12, 2001, 09:19:44 PM EDT

Debt of Honor. - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:17:54 PM EDT

Thanks for correction... Couldn't remember which TC book! -NT - (jbrabeck) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:43:36 PM EDT

Crash at Camp David also - (brettj) - (16) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:01:31 AM EDT

Well, that pretty much pins it: Islamics or Israelis -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (8) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:04:30 AM EDT

Could also be Bin Laden -NT - (Silverlock) - (5) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:13:01 AM EDT

That would fall firmly under Islamics. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:16:58 AM EDT

Yer right, I'm not thinking clearly today. Very upset. -NT - (Silverlock) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:18:16 AM EDT

Bin Laden announced unprecedented attack 3 weeks ago - (admin) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:18:44 AM EDT

Why not the Columbians? - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:21:32 AM EDT

Columbians never heard of Camp David. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:22:47 AM EDT

Didn't we get a member of one of the drug cartels in just - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:20:26 AM EDT

Drug cartels don't do suicide attacks . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:22:03 AM EDT

Source? Haven't heard anything - (wharris2) - (4) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:33:01 AM EDT

CBS or CNN, I think. - (brettj) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:39:55 AM EDT

Got four planes and a car bomb right now - (wharris2) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:49:56 AM EDT

Car bomb was a false alert. - (admin) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:53:05 AM EDT

My wife just left our house - (drewk) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:18:29 PM EDT

Who reported this? - (jbrabeck) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:59:08 AM EDT

Pennsylvania plane - (wharris2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:29:12 PM EDT

Yassir Arofat and Tony Blair offered their condolences - (brettj) - (23) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:26:30 AM EDT

While Palestinians dance in the streets - (wharris2) - (22) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:16:30 PM EDT

That is one of my biggest fears. - (brettj) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:27:22 PM EDT

Not to mention atheist fanatics. - (marlowe) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:00:14 PM EDT

Fanatics in general. Good point. - (brettj) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:35:52 PM EDT

Unfortunately, the only way we can gain their respect . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (18) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:07:34 PM EDT

Really wish there was a way I could disagree with you -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:15:44 PM EDT

So do I -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:48:43 PM EDT

Hit `em so they can't get up. - (marlowe) - (15) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:15:57 PM EDT

You guys are unbelievable - (bluke) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:40:57 PM EDT

It's amazing, isn't it? - (static) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:23:54 PM EDT

Declaration of War - (Andrew Grygus) - (8) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:45:09 PM EDT

You are advocating the commission of war crimes - (bluke) - (4) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:51:01 PM EDT

Mass destruction should be avoided . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:07:38 PM EDT

The same number of innocents... - (bluke) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:21:46 PM EDT

Good logic - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:33:09 PM EDT

Why not? - (bluke) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:49:44 PM EDT

And Americans accuse Israel of using excessive force???????? -NT - (bluke) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:32:49 PM EDT

I do not think you will find that I have . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:36:36 PM EDT

Maybe not... - (bluke) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:45:29 PM EDT

I seem to recall something about the "Crusades".... - (addison) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:48:38 PM EDT

Yabut. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2001, 04:17:03 PM EDT

Everybody remembers the Crusades - (GBert) - Sept. 11, 2001, 04:41:04 PM EDT

Something I might want to reconsider slightly? - (marlowe) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:32:54 PM EDT

Bin Laden - (admin) - (7) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:34:55 AM EDT

Report on NPR... - (inthane-chan) - (6) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:39:13 AM EDT

CNN says bin Laadan denied responsibility - (jake123) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:42:18 AM EDT

Anyone with any sense would deny it - (wharris2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:45:17 AM EDT

Oh yeah, and he'll be believed. - (admin) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:52:00 AM EDT

bin Laden or Taliban denies? - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2001, 02:58:32 PM EDT

Probably a dozen unknown groups will claim responsibility. - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 11, 2001, 11:43:25 AM EDT

Re: Report on NPR... - (addison) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:22:21 PM EDT

Tower collapses - (wharris2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:35:38 PM EDT

Perspective: 25-50K workers at WTC - (kmself) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 12:49:39 PM EDT

Count Vietnamese deaths in Vietnam to get a true comparison - (jake123) - Sept. 11, 2001, 01:32:13 PM EDT

Re: Recap of known events as of 9:50 AM Central - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 12, 2001, 01:03:34 AM EDT

I am LRPD of Borg. Refreshing is useless. You will be addicted.
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