'02 Model?

Post #84,131 by Ashton 2/25/03 8:18:00 PM Reply	'02 Model? F\ufffdhrer Befiehl Wir Folgen Leader Leads We Follow
Post #84,134 by rcareaga 2/25/03 8:29:16 PM Reply	doesn't that assume... a separate identity as between Leader and masses? Surely not! Surely our hearts and His beat as one, our pulses and His throb as one...Eins Reich! Eins Volk! Eins Bush! (could serve for the other side of the coin, nicht?) with unswerving loyalty, "Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
Post #84,195 by Ashton 2/25/03 11:12:49 PM Reply	Jawohl Gef\ufffdhrteiconoclast ;-) I had momentarily forgotten the mesmerizing force of this man's charisma, his heroic stature and that endearing drawl - so effectively hiding the Churchillian mind just below the surface. Well, below the surface. OK.. well-below the surface; in fact - - Eins doppelganger!
Post #84,201 by rcareaga 2/25/03 11:24:01 PM Reply	Bush and Churchill On "Talk of the Nation" a few weeks ago they had English military historian John Keegan as guest, and the subject was Winston Churchill. A caller (the problem with "Talk of the Nation"--they have interesting guests who are presently compelled to share airtime with Duh Pee-pul) opined that Dubya's take on Saddam was right up there with Churchill's on Hitler. Keegan responded, with contempt so acid it actually corroded the speaker on my radio, that he thought the comparison of Saddam to Hitler inexact and the comparison of Bush to Churchill several orders of magnitude beyond ludicrous. cordially, "Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
Post #84,206 by boxley 2/25/03 11:38:34 PM Reply	Bush to Churchill is like Gore to Burr no comparison will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #84,222 by Ashton 2/26/03 3:44:01 AM Reply	Give us Barrabas! or at least de Sade The man may have been fatally flawed, but exquisitely able to defend his affliction at folio length.. (all sophistry, natch). Same direction of decay and dissolution as Shrub, but we would at least be amused rather than disgusted along the slide into real depravity.
Post #84,777 by dmarker 2/28/03 3:33:09 AM 2/28/03 3:36:41 AM Reply	For limited in vocab, a translate - Churchill=Asshole Well not quite but ... Like Hitler, Churchill has to some younger folk, become an image rather that the real person he was. As the young (youngest) & suitably arrogant 1st lord of the Admiralty in WW1, when he sent a force to try to outflank Germany through Turkey. >> [link\|http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/churchill.html\|http://www.time.com/...le/churchill.html] At Gallipoli in 1915, this Anglo-French force struggled to break the defenses that blocked access to the Black Sea. It was a heroic failure that forced Churchill's resignation and led to his political eclipse. << To many, he was almost soley responsible for the agonising deaths of many Brit & Aust sailors & soldiers at Gallipoli (a fuck-up of the highest order redeemed only by the courage & tenacity of the troops sent there). Churchill's youthful arrogance & screw-ups were only really exhonerated by his mature age performance as UK PM during the 'Blitz', the 'Battle of Britain' & the middle years of WW2. But, the population of the UK knew what to do with him once he had had 'his finest hour' - they ditched him in a massive swing from the tories (Repub equivs) that saw Labour's (Dem equiv) Clement Atlee elected as the PM who oversaw the final surrender of Germany & end to WW2. This link highlights the success of Chuchill in achieving a lasting glory from a mixed career that had its moments of arrogance & fuck-ups begining with his appalling school record. A bit OT: He was clothed in dresses up to the age of six(sheesh). [link\|http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/575219.stm\|http://news.bbc.co.u...litics/575219.stm] Winston C - Voted #1 PM Interestingly Atlee, gets voted #3 after Chrchill #1 & Lloyd-George #2. [link\|http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/churchill.html\|http://www.time.com/...le/churchill.html] Good link about Churchill's life & career. Personally, I am willing to forgive his youthful bastardry because of the pivitol role he played against Hitler. Churchill's father (a failure in his own right) had some interesting (negative) insights into his son (read the link). >> he said the boy lacked "cleverness, knowledge and any capacity for settled work. He has a great talent for show-off, exaggeration and make-believe." << But despite that, history swung Churchill's way & provided him with his great opportunity for redmption & everlasting fame. So in balance I agree with his #1 position as UK's greatest ever PM (plus we need heroes of the like with which he is portrayed, they are really our own collective ideals embodied in a man of the moment, which Churchill truly was). Cheers Doug Marker Edited by dmarker Feb. 28, 2003, 03:36:41 AM EST Expand All History
Post #85,139 by a6l6e6x 3/1/03 9:58:11 PM Reply	You have to admit that the "finest hour" was just that! On the other hand, it is amazing that he was given another chance to lead after the Gallipoli fiasco. Alex "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."\t-- Mark Twain

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