We'll be hearing real soon how much better off . . .

Post #8,269 by Andrew Grygus 9/11/01 10:59:01 AM Reply	We'll be hearing real soon how much better off . . . . . we'd have been with an anti-misile defense and why this all means we should accelerate that program by a factor of 10. That's where the money is so that's where it's going to go. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #8,275 by jb4 9/11/01 11:09:46 AM Reply	Great! So IF we had just had a missle defense system we could have shot down those commercial airliners before thy hit the WTT. Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that!?! jb4 (Resistance is not futile...)
Post #8,276 by jbrabeck 9/11/01 11:10:05 AM Reply	Yes, we'll hear it.... and it would NOT have made one bit of difference. I listened to a reporter say how all our air defenses are pointed outwards. With the implication that we should have had some ADA ready to shoot down commercial aircraft if they strayed off course? This type of attack is totally defenseless. NOBODY would be willing to submit to the type of security necessary to completely ensure the safety of a plane. Short of forcing everyone to sit nude and locked in, a passenger will be able to smuggle something on the plane. I won't completely repeat myself, but there are always "moles" and "sleepers". [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net\|Joe]
Post #8,357 by inthane-chan 9/11/01 3:12:15 PM Reply	Not only that... but when you shoot something down, it still goes somewhere. From listening to the first-hand accounts on NPR, it sounds like the planes didn't angle towards the tower until the last second - thereby hiding their true intent. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #8,424 by Fearless Freep 9/11/01 5:55:29 PM Reply	Yes... ...this attack could've only been defeated at a much earlier stage. I'm thinking there had to be inside help so I think increased airport security in terms of hiring background checks and better security procedures for ground crews would've been the only way to prevent this Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #8,428 by jbrabeck 9/11/01 6:14:15 PM Reply	Nope To the increased background checks.... Might not have helped. If background checks were completely effective, the FBI, CIA and other infiltrated organizations would not have been infiltrated. On the other hand, if NO background check was/is done, then maybe a elementary check would have helped. But what are you going to check for? 1. Are you of this religious belief? -- Violation of civil rights 2. Are you from this country? -- Violation of civil rights 3. Do you in tend to harm this country? -- Gotta be a violation of something... So, unless the applicant is a convicted felon, or has shown radical tendencies (that can be proven without violating civil rights) then there's not much to check for. (Yes, I have had extensive checks done on my background. I'm ex-military with clearances and current job had to have clearances reinstated). What level of background checks are you willing to perform on a "baggage handler"? And what security would be effective against someone willing to die for his/her beliefs? A bomb, weapon or whatever can be brought in piecemeal and assembled at the work site. I've listened to the announcers speak of "failed airport security", but I doubt that anyone would accept the imposition required to implement real security. We Americans are too accustomed to our creature comforts and to "speed". "What do you mean stand here in line for an hour for a security check." Dunno, my take on security. FWIW... my current job is to prepare and test disaster recovery plans. Think anyone believes that there will be a real disaster, "here"? [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net\|Joe]
Post #8,431 by Fearless Freep 9/11/01 6:23:20 PM Reply	Well... ...I really don't know how to stop it at an earlier point effectively, but I know that by the time the plane is inbound, it's tool late Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #8,433 by jbrabeck 9/11/01 6:31:10 PM Reply	I agree. Too late to prevent when plane airborne! [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net\|Joe]

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