Post #79,928
2/6/03 6:02:04 PM
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The Washington Post on Powell's presentation.
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32515-2003Feb5.html|Irrefutable]. After Secretary of State Colin L. Powell's presentation to the United Nations Security Council yesterday, it is hard to imagine how anyone could doubt that Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction. I guess their editorial writer doesn't read zIWeThey. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
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Post #79,930
2/6/03 6:15:35 PM
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I doubt anyone here thinks Sadaam doesnt have any WMD
the discussion appears to be that we dont have proof he doesnt have any, or what to do if we find some.
thanx,
bill
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Post #79,945
2/6/03 7:26:56 PM
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What I think.
He has WoMD.
To be honest, I've never doubted that he either had them or was seeking them. The real issue for me is why the FUCK the U.S. Government is chucking rocks so hard from inside our glass house?
Would we be facing this if we hadn't backed him back in the '70s and '80s? How might the world be different if we had actually backed popular governments instead of tin-pot dictators like we did during the cold war? Don't give me that bullshit about "communists running the world" - the "communist" party worldwide pretty much just hijacked local dissent against corrupt governments and rode it into power - corrupt governments that WE backed, for profit + power.
Before we spend our LIVES cleaning up another MESS of OUR OWN CREATION, I want to be *DAMN SURE* that MY SON doesn't have to clean up the messes that the draft-dodging, AWOL, profiteering powermongers of our country created.
And THAT is why I'm so fucking pissed about Iraq. If we could actually agree to stop doing all this shit, THEN I'd probably be more than willing to be the first guy into Iraq, N. Korea, Palestine, Nigeria, whereever the fuck people are doing shitty things to each other.
Until then, we're just a bigger version of N. Korea and Iraq. Which government has tested nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons on its own people?
Iraq has probably used bio and chem on its own people. N. Korea probably has as well.
The U.S. government has tested all three on its own people, often without telling them. Not to mention all the shit it does overseas. And that is what pisses me off.
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
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Post #79,947
2/6/03 7:37:01 PM
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Re: Would we be facing this if we hadn't backed him ...
Better question: Would two rather gaudy monuments to capitalist excess still be standing in Manhattan had we not back Osama bin Laden in the 1980's?
The Reagan years were great, weren't they? "Moral equivalents of our Founding Fathers" yadda, yadda, yadda.
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Post #79,955
2/6/03 7:58:17 PM
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The problem is American Foreign Policy
is dictated 4 years at a time. Foreign Policy needs to be pushed out a generaton at a time. Funding Mujadeen wasnt the problem. Cutting off all suport once the russians left caused the problem. Shortsightedness will do us in everywhere everytime.
thanx,
bill
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Post #79,962
2/6/03 8:20:29 PM
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"American Foreign Policy"? What's that?
I thought we just responded (mostly knee-jerked) to whatever is happening at the moment. I didn't think Muricans cared much about matters foreign.
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Post #79,965
2/6/03 8:46:50 PM
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Ive been griping about that for years
When Giap asked us for assistance in 1940's we told him to talk to the french. If Americans of the type that flew with the Tigers went along on the long march. If we had not invaded Russia in about 1920's etc and recognised a fledgeling democracy. Castro could have been contained by recognition and mass aid, it would have corrupted them and we could have condo's in havana. It appears that financial interests of people standing on the neck of the 3rd world have dictated some of our most disasterous foreign policies. The Mullah policy of the Brits to combat socialism is another freaking disaster. Now they have capt hook directing terrorist trafic from inside England.
thanx,
bill
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Post #79,975
2/6/03 9:33:51 PM
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Well said.
That was a hell of an indictment. Truthful, succinct, heartfelt and accurate.
Can I quote you? I know a blog this would fit very well.
Memory is like a watchacallit.
-Steven Brust
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Post #80,002
2/6/03 10:31:55 PM
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Quote away.
And sign my name to it. I stand behind my words.
Thane O'Neill Walkup.
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
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Post #80,016
2/6/03 11:12:33 PM
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Will do
Memory is like a watchacallit.
-Steven Brust
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Post #80,095
2/7/03 10:38:31 AM
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Just curious: Where?
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Post #80,269
2/7/03 10:24:40 PM
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Here ya go.
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Memory is like a watchacallit.
-Steven Brust
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Post #79,956
2/6/03 7:59:10 PM
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Define that.
Nukes: Nope.
Chemical weapons: Possibly. Possibly not. He had them. He used them. Whether he has old ones still around or whether he's managed to hide new ones is something the inspectors will have to determine. He has the knowledge of how to create them. All he needs are the facilities and chemicals. He might have a couple kilos of chem agents still. These would be easy to hide and hard to find. But they would also make an ineffective weapon. For a weapon system, he needs a lot more.
Bio weapons: He probably has samples of strains. Whether he's managed to cultivate them needs to be determined by the inspectors. Same as with the chem agents. Having a culture growing in a jug won't do much as a weapon. But it will be easy to hide and hard to find.
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