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New Microsoft unveils new CD copy protection
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The new software is called the Windows Media Data Session Toolkit.

It enables music labels to lay songs onto a copy-controlled CD in multiple layers, one that would permit normal playback on a stereo and a PC.

The PC layer, laid digitally on the same disc, can be modified by the content provider, so that they could prevent, for example, burning songs onto another CD, said David Fester, general manager, digital media entertainment for Microsoft.


Thank you Uncle Fester.

I don't see how it can work and still leave CD's playable on consumer players. Now we have two layers to rip?




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Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:26:51 AM EDT
New I don't see how it could work, either.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Wait... I just figured it out...
There really *IS* no Copy-Protection *ON* CD. You know security through Obscurity... AND every CD comes with a non-optional secondary package that weighs 400# (or ~180Kg)... that monitors your activities and THWAPS you on the head should you do anything "wrong"... with that CD.

Only problem *I* can see is the additional cost of the gorilla food... and the clean-up of the *POO*...

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New It will work the usual way.
Latest Media Player will install various Bits into the computer that recognize the CDs as non-copyprotectable.

Don't install it? All computers (Win2kSp3 or XP SP1 minimum) will be updated. No questions.
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New How does that prevent all copying
When you have all those Phillips CD recorders and other hardware only copiers/recorders (not to mention Linux driven computers)?

The only way would be to make the CDs playable only on Windblows machines, and I don't think the music industry is ready to give up that many sales just to make sure the CDs can't be pirated.
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New It won't.
That's not the idea - the idea is to get M$ more money by overselling some idea to the (computer illiterate) RIAA.
New Couldn't you still just rip the songs with a MP3 Ripper?
They may have to modify the MP3 Ripper, but I think it still can rip the songs into MP3 format. Then you could use Nero or some other CD copy program to turn the MP3s into an Audio CD without the copy protection on it.


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New You wouldn't need the MP3 step to do that.
All rippers originally ripped to .WAV files - and there's no reason they still couldn't.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Re: You wouldn't need the MP3 step to do that.
But then Nero could take the WAV or MP3 file and turn it into an audio track, right?


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New WAV=Original audio; MP3=LOSSY-compressed. So why use MP3 ?!?
New Because MP3 saves on hard drive space
unless you happen to have one of those Monster 100Gig hard drives, you tend to worry about space like I do. It tends to fill up quite fast downloading Linux ISO images, Delphi and Kylix trials, VisualWorks and Squeak, and other things that fill up a 10Gig hard drive really fast.

So having 20 3Meg files verses 20 16Meg files can really make a difference.


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New We were talking about burning CDs, see thread start subject.
New Yes but if you cannot burn a CD because it is protected
you can get around it by making a WAV or MP3 file and then using that to burn a new CD off of it.

Or does the copy protection prevent the making of WAV and MP3 files as well?


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New There's always the 'analog hole', true...

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New Well, yes.
But there's no point in compressing the audio if all you're going to do is decompress it to burn it to another CD. In which case, the WAV files would be temporary and this deleted after burning the copy.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

     Microsoft unveils new CD copy protection - (tuberculosis) - (14)
         I don't see how it could work, either. -NT - (static) - (1)
             Wait... I just figured it out... - (folkert)
         It will work the usual way. - (inthane-chan) - (2)
             How does that prevent all copying - (Steven A S) - (1)
                 It won't. - (inthane-chan)
         Couldn't you still just rip the songs with a MP3 Ripper? - (orion) - (8)
             You wouldn't need the MP3 step to do that. - (static) - (7)
                 Re: You wouldn't need the MP3 step to do that. - (orion) - (6)
                     WAV=Original audio; MP3=LOSSY-compressed. So why use MP3 ?!? -NT - (CRConrad) - (4)
                         Because MP3 saves on hard drive space - (orion) - (3)
                             We were talking about burning CDs, see thread start subject. -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                 Yes but if you cannot burn a CD because it is protected - (orion) - (1)
                                     There's always the 'analog hole', true... -NT - (imric)
                     Well, yes. - (static)

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