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Post #74,770
by kmself
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1/15/03 11:08:15 PM
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New What the gov't share & actives list...

...makes me wonder is who got suckered into this and how.\r\nSpecifically, did MSFT require the govt's to sign, or did they create\r\nthe demand for the agreement?

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As I noted to a friend yesterday...

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This item reflects a fact I noted buried in the slides from\r\nMSFT-Benelux that turned up a few weeks back.

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  • Slashdot:\r\n[link|http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/04/1835222|http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/04/1835222]
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  • Slides: [link|http://www.foo.be/photo/ms-pres-lux/|http://www.foo.be/photo/ms-pres-lux/]
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Among the slides, img_0221.jpg reveals the success of Microsoft's source\r\nlicensing programme:

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  • Enterprise Source Licensing: 1700 eligible customers, with >1500\r\n each.
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  • Government Source Licensing: er, "more flexibility"
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  • Systems Integrators SL: 150 eligible SIs.
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  • Academic Source Licensing: 130 participating institutions in 25\r\n countries.
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  • OEM Source Licensing: ~15 participants.
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...so that is, of some 9,000 institutions of higher education in the\r\nUnited States, plus lord knows how many worldwide, only 130 have sold\r\ntheir souls to the devil. And of the 150k independent software\r\ncompanies (from slide img_0224.jpg of the presentation), only 15 have\r\nopted to participate in the source licensing program of _the largest\r\nsoftware monopoly on the planet_. That's 0.1% of the available\r\nvendors.

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Microsoft announced "Shared Source" licensing in [link|http://www.linux-mag.com/2001-07/report_01.html|July of 2001].\r\nThey've been converting... 0.8 vendors per month.

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At this rate, Microsoft should have established Source Licensing in the\r\nindustry sometime in early 17,628 AD.

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One begins to wonder who Microsoft had by the balls at the 15 ISVs who\r\ndid cave.

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So the new announcement is of some interest. And there are\r\napparently 20 signers (though for the most part no mention of what\r\ngovernmental units these are -- nations, states, or municipal). The\r\nReuters item makes good mention of the fact that source, without build\r\nsupport, is useless. There is a very good reason the\r\nGNU GPL includes this protection. Without the means to verify\r\nsources build a given set of binaries, the source itself provides zero\r\nassurance.

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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #76,281
by kmself
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1/23/03 2:03:08 AM
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New You read it here first (La Reg story)

The Register's picked this up: [link|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28981.html|Microsoft to\r\nconvert world to "shared source" - by 15,625 AD].

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Is "Shared Source" being de-emphasized, along with the .NET brand?\r\nLast week, Microsoft said it has signed the Russia government for a\r\nparallel program " Government Security Program", which has ten\r\nadopters so far. This deal offers "controlled access" to around 97\r\nper cent of the code, and we discussed it here.

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Hard figures on the adoption of the other programs are hard to find.\r\nHowever, at the current success rate, Microsoft can look forward to\r\nreaching half of the world's OEMs by the year 7812 AD (CE calendar),\r\nand all of them by 15,625 AD.

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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #76,355
by cforde
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1/23/03 12:15:03 PM
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New lying with statistics
The Reg is using a linear extrapolation to come up with those dates. There's insufficient data points to support that curve as the correct projection. Another possible interpretation is that the high point in the curve has already been reached. They can now expect the adoption rate to decline. If that's the case, those date projections are rather optimistic....
Have fun,
Carl Forde
Post #76,455
by kmself
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1/23/03 4:58:42 PM
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New Linear trends in...

...thought.

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The conclusions are pretty much typical Register "taking the data to\r\nthe rediculous extreme". Actually, they're typical "Karsten taking the\r\ndata to the rediculous extreme" -- they're my numbers, I gave them to\r\nAndrew.

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The point is this: 18 months of pushing "Shared Source" has resulted\r\nin precisely 15 commercial adopters, and a few hundred educational\r\ninstitutions (the bulk of these likely MS cert mills, I'd be willing to\r\nwager, though I've got no data).

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By any metric, the program has been a stunning failure.\r\nThat is the reading-between-the-lines point. The stats\r\n(and the Reg suffered an off-by-two-thousand-three error, BTW) are a\r\nlargely light-hearted demonstration of the point.

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The curious bits are these:

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  • Who are the 15 ISV adoptors? Why did they feel compelled to adopt?\r\nAnd more significantly, who are the 149,985 non-adoptors, and why did\r\nthey feel compelled not to adopt?
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  • Who are the 300 educational adoptors? Where on the education scale\r\ndo they fall? Are these postsecondary four-year / graduate\r\ninstitutions, two-year schools, voc-ed, or technical training centers?\r\nWhere are they -- US only, or elsewhere?
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  • What are the deltas in terms between the Shared Source agreements,\r\nand the new program which actually has seen adoption by\r\ngovernments (either ten or twenty signers, depending on the story).
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This isn't just sillyness. There's a serious story about Microsoft's\r\nability to instill trust (or dictate terms) among independents. And\r\nwhatever sway or persuasion they have, it's apparently not much.

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If your message was to avoid overly strong reliance on linear\r\ntrending, mine is to make the same allowance for reading at face\r\nvalue.

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #76,600
by cforde
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1/24/03 12:15:55 AM
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New apparently, I needed the sign
where is that sign? I haven't seen it lately...
Have fun,
Carl Forde
Post #76,619
by Andrew Grygus
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1/24/03 3:30:17 AM
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New Still available at . .
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Post #76,642
by folkert
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1/24/03 8:51:02 AM
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New Also available as this: (new thread)
Created as new thread #76641 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=76641|Also available as this:]
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Post #77,920
by kmself
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1/29/03 5:16:50 PM
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New My apologies

I didn't mean to be quite as curt as I was. I write obliquely at\r\ntimes (it's among my guilty pleasures), and suppose I expect others to\r\nrecognize and parse the style. Which isn't always the case.

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No harm done on your part, wish I could say the same for mine.

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
     I like reading articles like this one ... - (dmarker) - (8) - Jan. 15, 2003, 12:45:53 PM EST
         What the gov't share & actives list... - (kmself) - (7) - Jan. 15, 2003, 11:08:15 PM EST
             You read it here first (La Reg story) - (kmself) - (6) - Jan. 23, 2003, 02:03:08 AM EST
                 lying with statistics - (cforde) - (5) - Jan. 23, 2003, 12:15:03 PM EST
                     Linear trends in... - (kmself) - (4) - Jan. 23, 2003, 04:58:42 PM EST
                         apparently, I needed the sign - (cforde) - (3) - Jan. 24, 2003, 12:15:55 AM EST
                             Still available at . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Jan. 24, 2003, 03:30:17 AM EST
                             Also available as this: (new thread) - (folkert) - Jan. 24, 2003, 08:51:02 AM EST
                             My apologies - (kmself) - Jan. 29, 2003, 05:16:50 PM EST

It's only Monday, and that is already the dumbest question of the week.
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